10-23-2004, 06:35 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Sunder+Oct 20 2004, 10:44 AM-->QUOTE(Sunder @ Oct 20 2004, 10:44 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> How do itharaah (others) trace back their lineage? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Rule 1: If you are performing a shrauta ritual then you shall name the purohita's gotra for the pravara recitiation if you do not have one of your own. This rule typically applies to kShatriyas and vaishyas. The brahmin must known his pravara to be considered valid barring exceptional cases.
Rule 2: Many of the non-dvijas have their own peculiar gotras that have no relationships with the dvija gotras. They observe the same exogamous rules with respect to their gotras as the dvijas. These peculiar gotras of theirs are not used in vedic shrauta rituals but may be used for laukIka religious practices.
While it is common belief that all non-dvijas are excluded from vedic rites this is not really so, because the iShukR^it and the niShada sthapati were some allowed non-dvijas. Of course there are numerous honorary kShatriya classes.
BTW the Bharatavarsha site will probably be discontinued by us. My friends (and me) who were maintaining it are hard pressed for time and we were unable to updated as originally planned. So we decided to stop the project for now. Though we may bring it back with a different cheaper hosting scheme.
In marriages the ancestors are announced for 7 generation if remembered.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> Does this mean that the current Maudgalya, Vatula and Shadamarshanas were actually kshatriyas ? So the pravarams under these gotras come in after these kshtriyas transformed into brahmins ?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Yes the above have kShatriya male line ancestors. But they are called kevala bhArgava or kevala A~ngirasa gotras as all of them were absorbed via marriage into the bhArgava and A~ngirasa traditions. They are listed in the pravara khaNDas in the kevala categories,
Rule 1: If you are performing a shrauta ritual then you shall name the purohita's gotra for the pravara recitiation if you do not have one of your own. This rule typically applies to kShatriyas and vaishyas. The brahmin must known his pravara to be considered valid barring exceptional cases.
Rule 2: Many of the non-dvijas have their own peculiar gotras that have no relationships with the dvija gotras. They observe the same exogamous rules with respect to their gotras as the dvijas. These peculiar gotras of theirs are not used in vedic shrauta rituals but may be used for laukIka religious practices.
While it is common belief that all non-dvijas are excluded from vedic rites this is not really so, because the iShukR^it and the niShada sthapati were some allowed non-dvijas. Of course there are numerous honorary kShatriya classes.
BTW the Bharatavarsha site will probably be discontinued by us. My friends (and me) who were maintaining it are hard pressed for time and we were unable to updated as originally planned. So we decided to stop the project for now. Though we may bring it back with a different cheaper hosting scheme.
In marriages the ancestors are announced for 7 generation if remembered.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> Does this mean that the current Maudgalya, Vatula and Shadamarshanas were actually kshatriyas ? So the pravarams under these gotras come in after these kshtriyas transformed into brahmins ?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Daffodil change your usr id to meet the forum rules.</b>
Yes the above have kShatriya male line ancestors. But they are called kevala bhArgava or kevala A~ngirasa gotras as all of them were absorbed via marriage into the bhArgava and A~ngirasa traditions. They are listed in the pravara khaNDas in the kevala categories,