<b>^ Pandyan, see Ishwa's more important posts above</b>
Early descendants from Bharata's dynasty are also called Bharatas:
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/arti.../astronomy.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One of Manu's heirs was Ila, ancestress of Yayati, whose five sons became the patriarchs of the "five peoples" who form the ethnic horizon of the Vedas, one of them being Puru; in Puru's tribe, then, one Bharata started the Bharata clan to which most of the Vedic seers belonged.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->A lot of the Vedas actually come from the Bharatas.
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/rig/ch3.htm.
(Try a search over all the chapters of this book for "Bharata".)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->REFERENCES TO KINGS AND RSIS
It is not only composers who are referred to within the hymns: there are also references to Kings and RSis (other than composers); and an examination of these references can help in throwing more light on the chronology of the MaNDalas.
We will examine these references as follows:
A. The Bharata Dynasty.
B. Minor Kings and RSis.
C. The TRkSi Dynasty-
IV.A. The Bharata Dynasty
The Bharata Dynasty is the predominant dynasty in the Rigveda. Eleven Kings of this dynasty are referred to in the Rigveda: <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/bo...ah/ch1.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Puranas describe (and the Epics occasionally refer to) several dozens of generations of ancestors of the Puru-Bharata lineage which patronized the composition of the Vedas.10<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then, Bharatas also has another meaning: the people who are children of Bharatam.
In the Gita, Krishna refers to Arjuna of the Puru dynasty as Bharata (scion of Bharata - doubles both in meaning as being of the line of the ancient king Bharata and being child of our country Bharatam). Like Bharata before them, Pandavas were also of the Lunar Dynasty. Rama was Solar Dynasty.
In Jaina Dharma, Krishna is considered a Jaina (and I think the Pandavas too?)
All I know from my own observations and limited reading of Hindu texts is that the Gita and Mahabharatam make references to the Vedas (and the Vedas refer to themselves too of course). I don't recall references to Jaina literature or Tirtankaras referred to as Tirtankaras in them. Then again, the references might be in Jaina literature.
Note that the desperate, appropriating western indologicals lay great stress on trying to claim Bharata and in fact the entire Puru dynasty (that includes people like Indian king/emperor Yayati, who married Devayani daughter of Shukracharya the Guru of the Asuras; Yayati is an ancestor of Pandavas - see Mahabharatam) as being some of them famous "oryan" invader-migrants of christian theology. Christowest is so ridiculously desperate to claim all Hindu literature and epics and Hindu heroes as their own ancestors that it is just plain sad.
But in fact, the Bharatas' homeland was actually rather east of the Punjab itself, as shown by that brilliant Shrikant Talageri here:
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/rig/ch4.htm
<b>The Geography of the Rigveda</b>
including its section <b>II.A. The Westward Expansion in the Bharata Period</b>
shows how they moved from eastern part near Yamuna and Ganga to Panjab.
See map http://www.bharatvani.org/books/rig/img21.jpg
Early descendants from Bharata's dynasty are also called Bharatas:
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/arti.../astronomy.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One of Manu's heirs was Ila, ancestress of Yayati, whose five sons became the patriarchs of the "five peoples" who form the ethnic horizon of the Vedas, one of them being Puru; in Puru's tribe, then, one Bharata started the Bharata clan to which most of the Vedic seers belonged.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->A lot of the Vedas actually come from the Bharatas.
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/rig/ch3.htm.
(Try a search over all the chapters of this book for "Bharata".)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->REFERENCES TO KINGS AND RSIS
It is not only composers who are referred to within the hymns: there are also references to Kings and RSis (other than composers); and an examination of these references can help in throwing more light on the chronology of the MaNDalas.
We will examine these references as follows:
A. The Bharata Dynasty.
B. Minor Kings and RSis.
C. The TRkSi Dynasty-
IV.A. The Bharata Dynasty
The Bharata Dynasty is the predominant dynasty in the Rigveda. Eleven Kings of this dynasty are referred to in the Rigveda: <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/bo...ah/ch1.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Puranas describe (and the Epics occasionally refer to) several dozens of generations of ancestors of the Puru-Bharata lineage which patronized the composition of the Vedas.10<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then, Bharatas also has another meaning: the people who are children of Bharatam.
In the Gita, Krishna refers to Arjuna of the Puru dynasty as Bharata (scion of Bharata - doubles both in meaning as being of the line of the ancient king Bharata and being child of our country Bharatam). Like Bharata before them, Pandavas were also of the Lunar Dynasty. Rama was Solar Dynasty.
In Jaina Dharma, Krishna is considered a Jaina (and I think the Pandavas too?)
All I know from my own observations and limited reading of Hindu texts is that the Gita and Mahabharatam make references to the Vedas (and the Vedas refer to themselves too of course). I don't recall references to Jaina literature or Tirtankaras referred to as Tirtankaras in them. Then again, the references might be in Jaina literature.
Note that the desperate, appropriating western indologicals lay great stress on trying to claim Bharata and in fact the entire Puru dynasty (that includes people like Indian king/emperor Yayati, who married Devayani daughter of Shukracharya the Guru of the Asuras; Yayati is an ancestor of Pandavas - see Mahabharatam) as being some of them famous "oryan" invader-migrants of christian theology. Christowest is so ridiculously desperate to claim all Hindu literature and epics and Hindu heroes as their own ancestors that it is just plain sad.
But in fact, the Bharatas' homeland was actually rather east of the Punjab itself, as shown by that brilliant Shrikant Talageri here:
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/rig/ch4.htm
<b>The Geography of the Rigveda</b>
including its section <b>II.A. The Westward Expansion in the Bharata Period</b>
shows how they moved from eastern part near Yamuna and Ganga to Panjab.
See map http://www.bharatvani.org/books/rig/img21.jpg