Basically, all the earlier motivated studies of Indian genetics are getting overturned by the new generation of unbiased researchers.....We are seeing a deep genetic diversity in India with the ME and central Asia as the outliers. Europe is too insignificant to even merit discussion.
Kivislid <i>et al</i> From IC group:
Here, however, the clock is just a secondary problem -- the first being 'the Indian reference sample' used. Indeed, the Indians included in this study consisted of a (limited) sample from Gujurat -- one of the western maritime provinces of India. When extending the sample with collections from different states, a quite different, even opposite, picture emerges (Table 17.3). Indians appear to display the higher diversity both in haplogroups 3 and 9 -- even if a pooled sample of eastern and southern European populations was considered. If we were to use the same arithmetic and logic (<i>sensu </i>haplogroup 9 is neolithic) to give an interpretation of this table, then the <i><b>straight-forward suggestion would be that both Neolithic (agriculture) and Indo-European languages arose in India </i>and from there, spread to Europe. </b>We would also have to add that inconsistencies with the archaeological evidence would appear and disappear as we change rate estimates (Table 17.3).
Table 17.3 <i>Variant and coalescent time estimates on Y-chromosomal STRs.</i>
Age estimates
Variance/ Pedigree rate/ Phylogenetic rate
<i>Haplogroup 9 </i>
Europe 0.44/ 6100/ 42,200
India 0.51/ 7100/ 48,900
<i>Haplogroup 3 </i>
Europe 0.24/ 3300/ 23,100
India 0.37/ 5200/ 35,700
Kivislid <i>et al</i> From IC group:
Here, however, the clock is just a secondary problem -- the first being 'the Indian reference sample' used. Indeed, the Indians included in this study consisted of a (limited) sample from Gujurat -- one of the western maritime provinces of India. When extending the sample with collections from different states, a quite different, even opposite, picture emerges (Table 17.3). Indians appear to display the higher diversity both in haplogroups 3 and 9 -- even if a pooled sample of eastern and southern European populations was considered. If we were to use the same arithmetic and logic (<i>sensu </i>haplogroup 9 is neolithic) to give an interpretation of this table, then the <i><b>straight-forward suggestion would be that both Neolithic (agriculture) and Indo-European languages arose in India </i>and from there, spread to Europe. </b>We would also have to add that inconsistencies with the archaeological evidence would appear and disappear as we change rate estimates (Table 17.3).
Table 17.3 <i>Variant and coalescent time estimates on Y-chromosomal STRs.</i>
Age estimates
Variance/ Pedigree rate/ Phylogenetic rate
<i>Haplogroup 9 </i>
Europe 0.44/ 6100/ 42,200
India 0.51/ 7100/ 48,900
<i>Haplogroup 3 </i>
Europe 0.24/ 3300/ 23,100
India 0.37/ 5200/ 35,700