10-30-2004, 08:54 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Oct 19 2004, 01:57 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Oct 19 2004, 01:57 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Link: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/casi/reports/nu...anel3.html
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Ramana Garu,
Finally got a chance to go thru this. In context of this thread I like Raja Mohan's points the best although he talks about it in a "not this" sense..
Others,
Its a great read if you havent already read it.. Few quotes..
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The second slogan was "power and prosperity." I canât recall a single Indian leader ever having said power and prosperity for the nation is a major national goal. Prosperity, for example: we talked about growth, we talked about development -- not as much about growth as about development. We talked about redistribution. We talked about all the classical economic things. But our leaders never brought themselves to talk about prosperity, because for the brahmanical leadership, of course, prosperity, making money, was a fairly dirty business that was left to a separate caste. And in any case they were kept out of broader, mainstream Indian decision-making because the bureaucrats would make the decisions, not the baniya who was making the money. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> Even more relevant to our immediate purposes is the question of power. The discussion of power, power politics, balance of power -- I think most Indians are extremely uncomfortable with presenting the case in those terms. In any discourse -- and weâve seen it in the discussion yesterday morning and yesterday afternoon -- Indians get angry most of the time when you try to discuss it in that kind of framework. Thereâs a sense of offense: how can you throw these dirty things at us? You see the Indians saying repeatedly, "Weâre against power politics, weâre for the whole classical liberal internationalist thing -- the world is one, everybody should be together, brotherhood, motherhood." The dominance of these ideas is so strong.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont agree with the below but its interesting ..
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> The second point Iâd like to make is about what I think Steve said regarding the Gujral doctrine. Itâs not easy for us to stand up and say, look, weâre trying to recreate the Raj. Yet I think in a sense thatâs what will be the outcome if the region becomes integrated economically. Youâre not actually recreating the Raj; youâre going back to before what Partition did to the subcontinent, breaking up a single economic space into different political units and then severing relations between them. Integration is being restored, and itâs being restored not only for Indian interests, but for the interests of everyone. Thatâs a very important thing.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Follow the discussion!!!
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ramana Garu,
Finally got a chance to go thru this. In context of this thread I like Raja Mohan's points the best although he talks about it in a "not this" sense..
Others,
Its a great read if you havent already read it.. Few quotes..
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The second slogan was "power and prosperity." I canât recall a single Indian leader ever having said power and prosperity for the nation is a major national goal. Prosperity, for example: we talked about growth, we talked about development -- not as much about growth as about development. We talked about redistribution. We talked about all the classical economic things. But our leaders never brought themselves to talk about prosperity, because for the brahmanical leadership, of course, prosperity, making money, was a fairly dirty business that was left to a separate caste. And in any case they were kept out of broader, mainstream Indian decision-making because the bureaucrats would make the decisions, not the baniya who was making the money. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> Even more relevant to our immediate purposes is the question of power. The discussion of power, power politics, balance of power -- I think most Indians are extremely uncomfortable with presenting the case in those terms. In any discourse -- and weâve seen it in the discussion yesterday morning and yesterday afternoon -- Indians get angry most of the time when you try to discuss it in that kind of framework. Thereâs a sense of offense: how can you throw these dirty things at us? You see the Indians saying repeatedly, "Weâre against power politics, weâre for the whole classical liberal internationalist thing -- the world is one, everybody should be together, brotherhood, motherhood." The dominance of these ideas is so strong.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dont agree with the below but its interesting ..
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> The second point Iâd like to make is about what I think Steve said regarding the Gujral doctrine. Itâs not easy for us to stand up and say, look, weâre trying to recreate the Raj. Yet I think in a sense thatâs what will be the outcome if the region becomes integrated economically. Youâre not actually recreating the Raj; youâre going back to before what Partition did to the subcontinent, breaking up a single economic space into different political units and then severing relations between them. Integration is being restored, and itâs being restored not only for Indian interests, but for the interests of everyone. Thatâs a very important thing.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
