11-11-2004, 02:16 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Sunder+Nov 11 2004, 01:36 AM-->QUOTE(Sunder @ Nov 11 2004, 01:36 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-gangajal+Nov 11 2004, 12:47 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gangajal @ Nov 11 2004, 12:47 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes, Vishistadvaitas fall into the category fo people who do not want complete union. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have a serious concern here. Since when did people's wish and choice matter in the grand scale on how the universal law operates? To my ears, It is like saying "I do not wish to die, and hence I am founding a new interpretation of vedanta which says "You are immortal." hence the body will be immortal. - like Virochana did during his 32 year brahmacharya with Prajapathi.
If by mere wanting I can avoid merging and emerging with the Cause, then logic and reasoning will be superfluous. At a 'vyavahaarika' level, I can understand the ice formation owing to the coolness of bhakthi etc. But it is only the intermediary stage. There IS a stage beyond this. To find it out is the quest that we have all undertaken.
No one said Maya does not exist, they only say it is anirvachaniyam - unspeakable of. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sundar ji,
Do all Advaitists succeed in complete union? It is a notoriously difficult thing to achieve. Once I asked my Guru, Swami Swahananda, whether he has ever seen any one having samadhi like that described in the Gospel. He told me that he has never seen anyone.
Then there is the argument that desire is what keeps us from realization. We are what we desire. Meditation is prescribed to weaken our desire for name and fame. Some people may desire not to have complete union. It would then be impossible for such people to experience union. After all even those people are also THAT.
I think there is a reason why desire prevents spiritual progress. Desire prevents the Kundalini shakti from activating various chakras (Of course Kundalini shakti may not even arise if desire is too strong).
Nirvikalpa Samadhi is achieved at the level of Sahasrara Chakra. If a person does not want union then she will fail to activate Sahasrara Chakra fully and will indeed never experience the union.
I have a serious concern here. Since when did people's wish and choice matter in the grand scale on how the universal law operates? To my ears, It is like saying "I do not wish to die, and hence I am founding a new interpretation of vedanta which says "You are immortal." hence the body will be immortal. - like Virochana did during his 32 year brahmacharya with Prajapathi.
If by mere wanting I can avoid merging and emerging with the Cause, then logic and reasoning will be superfluous. At a 'vyavahaarika' level, I can understand the ice formation owing to the coolness of bhakthi etc. But it is only the intermediary stage. There IS a stage beyond this. To find it out is the quest that we have all undertaken.
No one said Maya does not exist, they only say it is anirvachaniyam - unspeakable of. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sundar ji,
Do all Advaitists succeed in complete union? It is a notoriously difficult thing to achieve. Once I asked my Guru, Swami Swahananda, whether he has ever seen any one having samadhi like that described in the Gospel. He told me that he has never seen anyone.
Then there is the argument that desire is what keeps us from realization. We are what we desire. Meditation is prescribed to weaken our desire for name and fame. Some people may desire not to have complete union. It would then be impossible for such people to experience union. After all even those people are also THAT.
I think there is a reason why desire prevents spiritual progress. Desire prevents the Kundalini shakti from activating various chakras (Of course Kundalini shakti may not even arise if desire is too strong).
Nirvikalpa Samadhi is achieved at the level of Sahasrara Chakra. If a person does not want union then she will fail to activate Sahasrara Chakra fully and will indeed never experience the union.