11-29-2008, 11:09 AM
Comments from
http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008...malegaon-probe/
<b>drummasala November 25th, 2008 at 11:11 pm</b>
So this is SECULARISM.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/YSR_son_rises_so_does_his_son-in-law/articleshow/3757616.cms
Is there no resistance from Hindus in Andhra against this one? Can somebody from Andhra throw some inputs here? There are no organizations there to counter this?
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<b>Vivek November 26th, 2008 at 4:45 am</b>
Some inputs on Andhra Situation. The situation has been like this or should I say has been deteriorating for last 4.5 years now. The attempted sale of 5 out of 7 hills of Sri Venkateswara Swamy in Tirumala was the first major assault. Then TTD charimanâs replacement. Karunakara Reddy, the current chief is rumored to be the illegal product of Y.Samuel Rajasekhara Reddyâs night duty!! Then came SVBC channel - Sri Venkateswara Bhakti Channel. Samuel uses this channel as a promotion plank for the coming elections. Every thing is free in AP now on paper. Some farmers do get these benefits, but most of these benefits are garnered by the top level of congress. The fight with K.A.Paul. Rumour has it that K.A.Paul asked for complete control of evangelical activities in AP. Samuel denied that because his son-in-law Anil Kumar has been in the same business through Anil World Evangelism.The fight ended up mis-appropriation of funds by K.A.Paul, which has been happening for a long time but was caught on the occasion of rivalry with Samuel. Now, Samuel sees a great business oppurtunity in evangelical activity. With first batch of 51 Indian christians getting to go to Jerusalem with a govt subsidy of Rs.20,000 per head, the business seems to be thriving. Out of 72 crores that is garnenered by AP govt through Endowments Ministry, which has no claim on churches or mosques or gurdwaras, but only on Hindu Temples, only 6 crores is spent on maintaining temples, rest is spent on Haj, building new Churches etc. Special cell has been set up for financing the Jerusalem trip and to take care of financing christian institutions.
The problem is that no body can do anything. The opposition is so confused that it cant take up the hindu cause because it fears loosing minority votes. PRP is still not clear as to what to talk in front of people. Further down the time line in my view, the segregation will become so deep and unrepairable that the whole AP will face strange situations with disintegration based on caste, religion and even telangana-andhra divide!!!
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<b>Vivek November 26th, 2008 at 4:55 am</b>
Stil in these dire straits, we see Swamijis like Swami Vishwesha Theertha of Pejawar Matha, giving out statements like this. Sitting around with Mangalore Catholic Diocese Danis Moras Prabhu during a seminar on Tuesday, he questioned BJPâs commitment to people. Question BJP - fine. But why do these Swamijis, just to prove their secular fabric, statements like this.
The seer urged the Government to reconsider its stand on the mega-project. âI am with your struggle till the end,â he declared amid rousing applause from a large gathering of anti-SEZ activists who were attending a seminar on Development of coastal districts, organised by the Nagarika Seva Trust, Guruvayankere, on Tuesday
In Andhra, the seers are not united. They wont unite. They wont condemn these dastardly acts by govt. The whole of Karnataka-Andhra-TamilNad belt is like this. Sure I accept that the Pejawar Swamiji is against SEZs but has he done his research? BJP declared that it will adopt Gujarat model of SEZs in Karnataka. Has the Pejawar swamiji seen what Gujarat is today. Such statements by respected people like him will only dampen the chances of BJP in coming general elections. If at all you are so concerned, then go and talk to the CM. He is always available for respectable people like him. Sort out the concerns there, why shout out in public, to damage the situation which is already grave!!!
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<b>Vivek November 26th, 2008 at 4:55 am</b>
ohh the link to Pejawar Swmiji article
http://www.hindu.com/2008/11/26/stories/...590600.htm
<b>SK November 26th, 2008 at 6:06 am</b>
Vivek , you provide the true picture of AP.
In fact on a visit to Tirumala , one can see neon crosses in the night while coming down from the hills. Moreover, Renigunta population continues to be increasingly Xâised.
Unfortunately, this will keep hapening as there is no scope of nationalist sentiment in Ap with secular antics of existing parties as well as PrP.
Shoud one say that may Lord Venkateswara help the people out of the Samuel-Kangi-Pee-aar-pee mess?
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<b>Vivek November 26th, 2008 at 9:30 am</b>
@Kumar,
If you think I am exaggerating, then you must look at various temples that have been robbed of the lands they possessed. Please visit this site http://www.savetemples.org/. Please look at the AP section for details. It is alarming, the rate at which the lands have moved into government hands for money and control. Not much or not even a single penny is for templesâ renovation. On the top of it, abuse to the pujaris from board members!! Pujaris get menial 250/- per month where as the board members who are generally politically associated with the congress get upto 2500/- per month. I see this happening in my hometown Rajahmundry itself!!! Not that TDP didnt have endowments dept., they did, but in congress regime the situation got worser. In Mar 2006, TTD demolished the 1000 pillar temple in front of the Balaji Temple in Tirumala. No one can question this!! Doing a Yajna or yaga is just the decoration to cover up the work going on behind the screen!!! There have been attempts to bring in the famous Chilukuri Balaji (Visa Venkateswara Swamy) under TTD belt, fortunately, the preists could fight it off. The only reason YSR wants the hold on temples is for money. The concept itself is shrewd!! who is sitting there doing yagnas and yagas - YSR!!! So even if you talk of some spiritual help, who gets it YSR and not the state!! Who gets to do abhishekam to Bhadradri Ramachandra on Ramanavami - YSR. Why? because he is the chief minister and endowments minsitry controls the temple!!! If the temple were not under emdowments, then this could have been avoided. Chilukuri Balaji Temple board should be appluaded for their efforts. No beneficiary darshans, no VIP passes, only one queue. Stand in queue or get lost!!! This is the only way devotees should be treated in temples. Endowments minsitry wants money, so Samuel can use it for his personal purposes. The situation cant be any bad. Yes, he is playing a very important card for next 5 years of power. He has good chance of success, yes!! But if he does, then in my view we should start getting used to Casinos on 7 hills, Church of Tirumala, Sacred hill of the Virgin Mary and many more dasterdly ideas!!!
And for voters list, S in YSR might mean Sanditi but we should remember that he left it that way for garnering Reddy votes. After he converted to Christianity Sanditi became Samuel!!!
http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008...malegaon-probe/
<b>drummasala November 25th, 2008 at 11:11 pm</b>
So this is SECULARISM.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/YSR_son_rises_so_does_his_son-in-law/articleshow/3757616.cms
Is there no resistance from Hindus in Andhra against this one? Can somebody from Andhra throw some inputs here? There are no organizations there to counter this?
#
<b>Vivek November 26th, 2008 at 4:45 am</b>
Some inputs on Andhra Situation. The situation has been like this or should I say has been deteriorating for last 4.5 years now. The attempted sale of 5 out of 7 hills of Sri Venkateswara Swamy in Tirumala was the first major assault. Then TTD charimanâs replacement. Karunakara Reddy, the current chief is rumored to be the illegal product of Y.Samuel Rajasekhara Reddyâs night duty!! Then came SVBC channel - Sri Venkateswara Bhakti Channel. Samuel uses this channel as a promotion plank for the coming elections. Every thing is free in AP now on paper. Some farmers do get these benefits, but most of these benefits are garnered by the top level of congress. The fight with K.A.Paul. Rumour has it that K.A.Paul asked for complete control of evangelical activities in AP. Samuel denied that because his son-in-law Anil Kumar has been in the same business through Anil World Evangelism.The fight ended up mis-appropriation of funds by K.A.Paul, which has been happening for a long time but was caught on the occasion of rivalry with Samuel. Now, Samuel sees a great business oppurtunity in evangelical activity. With first batch of 51 Indian christians getting to go to Jerusalem with a govt subsidy of Rs.20,000 per head, the business seems to be thriving. Out of 72 crores that is garnenered by AP govt through Endowments Ministry, which has no claim on churches or mosques or gurdwaras, but only on Hindu Temples, only 6 crores is spent on maintaining temples, rest is spent on Haj, building new Churches etc. Special cell has been set up for financing the Jerusalem trip and to take care of financing christian institutions.
The problem is that no body can do anything. The opposition is so confused that it cant take up the hindu cause because it fears loosing minority votes. PRP is still not clear as to what to talk in front of people. Further down the time line in my view, the segregation will become so deep and unrepairable that the whole AP will face strange situations with disintegration based on caste, religion and even telangana-andhra divide!!!
#
<b>Vivek November 26th, 2008 at 4:55 am</b>
Stil in these dire straits, we see Swamijis like Swami Vishwesha Theertha of Pejawar Matha, giving out statements like this. Sitting around with Mangalore Catholic Diocese Danis Moras Prabhu during a seminar on Tuesday, he questioned BJPâs commitment to people. Question BJP - fine. But why do these Swamijis, just to prove their secular fabric, statements like this.
The seer urged the Government to reconsider its stand on the mega-project. âI am with your struggle till the end,â he declared amid rousing applause from a large gathering of anti-SEZ activists who were attending a seminar on Development of coastal districts, organised by the Nagarika Seva Trust, Guruvayankere, on Tuesday
In Andhra, the seers are not united. They wont unite. They wont condemn these dastardly acts by govt. The whole of Karnataka-Andhra-TamilNad belt is like this. Sure I accept that the Pejawar Swamiji is against SEZs but has he done his research? BJP declared that it will adopt Gujarat model of SEZs in Karnataka. Has the Pejawar swamiji seen what Gujarat is today. Such statements by respected people like him will only dampen the chances of BJP in coming general elections. If at all you are so concerned, then go and talk to the CM. He is always available for respectable people like him. Sort out the concerns there, why shout out in public, to damage the situation which is already grave!!!
#
<b>Vivek November 26th, 2008 at 4:55 am</b>
ohh the link to Pejawar Swmiji article
http://www.hindu.com/2008/11/26/stories/...590600.htm
<b>SK November 26th, 2008 at 6:06 am</b>
Vivek , you provide the true picture of AP.
In fact on a visit to Tirumala , one can see neon crosses in the night while coming down from the hills. Moreover, Renigunta population continues to be increasingly Xâised.
Unfortunately, this will keep hapening as there is no scope of nationalist sentiment in Ap with secular antics of existing parties as well as PrP.
Shoud one say that may Lord Venkateswara help the people out of the Samuel-Kangi-Pee-aar-pee mess?
#
<b>Vivek November 26th, 2008 at 9:30 am</b>
@Kumar,
If you think I am exaggerating, then you must look at various temples that have been robbed of the lands they possessed. Please visit this site http://www.savetemples.org/. Please look at the AP section for details. It is alarming, the rate at which the lands have moved into government hands for money and control. Not much or not even a single penny is for templesâ renovation. On the top of it, abuse to the pujaris from board members!! Pujaris get menial 250/- per month where as the board members who are generally politically associated with the congress get upto 2500/- per month. I see this happening in my hometown Rajahmundry itself!!! Not that TDP didnt have endowments dept., they did, but in congress regime the situation got worser. In Mar 2006, TTD demolished the 1000 pillar temple in front of the Balaji Temple in Tirumala. No one can question this!! Doing a Yajna or yaga is just the decoration to cover up the work going on behind the screen!!! There have been attempts to bring in the famous Chilukuri Balaji (Visa Venkateswara Swamy) under TTD belt, fortunately, the preists could fight it off. The only reason YSR wants the hold on temples is for money. The concept itself is shrewd!! who is sitting there doing yagnas and yagas - YSR!!! So even if you talk of some spiritual help, who gets it YSR and not the state!! Who gets to do abhishekam to Bhadradri Ramachandra on Ramanavami - YSR. Why? because he is the chief minister and endowments minsitry controls the temple!!! If the temple were not under emdowments, then this could have been avoided. Chilukuri Balaji Temple board should be appluaded for their efforts. No beneficiary darshans, no VIP passes, only one queue. Stand in queue or get lost!!! This is the only way devotees should be treated in temples. Endowments minsitry wants money, so Samuel can use it for his personal purposes. The situation cant be any bad. Yes, he is playing a very important card for next 5 years of power. He has good chance of success, yes!! But if he does, then in my view we should start getting used to Casinos on 7 hills, Church of Tirumala, Sacred hill of the Virgin Mary and many more dasterdly ideas!!!
And for voters list, S in YSR might mean Sanditi but we should remember that he left it that way for garnering Reddy votes. After he converted to Christianity Sanditi became Samuel!!!