<!--QuoteBegin-vishwas+Dec 9 2008, 11:11 PM-->QUOTE(vishwas @ Dec 9 2008, 11:11 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-barat+Dec 9 2008, 10:00 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(barat @ Dec 9 2008, 10:00 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>While the elite is worried about this issue, the common man isn't, because he has other problems to think of.</b> That's why no Hindu movement, including Ram Mandir and Ram Setu, ever succeeds, it's because <b>the common man is too concerned about basic survival to even consider these matters.</b>[right][snapback]91646[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->One more Madras-based communist, who thinks dialectical materialism explains everything.[right][snapback]91648[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Not only that Vishwas. 'Barat' is either being entirely ignorant or entirely deceptive:
From the link posted in #303 - interview with "Shri. D.Kuppuramu- Convenor- Ram Sethu Protection Movement"
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx...eID=6165&SKIN=B
Hindu Hero Shri Kuppuramu speaks of Tamizh Nadu:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>My ancestor were warriors and military chiefs who were attached to the Ramanathpuram Samasthanam</b> and dedicated to the king Sethupathi Maharaja. I am a son of the Soil .Sethupathis have been tradtionally the protectors of Ram Serthu, and they take oath for that. <b>I have no other interest other than protecting this ancient monument.</b> Hence I represent all Hindus.
[...]
3. Q: You were a leftist in younger days; Leftists are generally known to be anti-Hindu, how come you were attracted towards religion and to Save Ramsethu?
DK: I was born in traditional and religious family. In college days, I was inclined towards leftist thinking. In 1984-85 I came in contact with Sri Atmananda Swami. I had extended debates with him for more than one year, and got convinced in the Spiritual principles. Since 1985 I have been associated with RSS. The Swami is now no more. He was my friend, Guru and guide.
[...]
<b><i>7. Q: What was the response from common people?</i>
DK: The response was overwhelming! We had an Anjaneya vigraha carved out of 'Atti' wood and we had planned for taking it to Danushkodi and arranged for the chanting of Ram Nama. We had deployed 360 Swayamsevaks to organize the japam. Suddenly we were overwhelmed by the presence of over one lakh (one hundred thousand) people! Everybody in Rameshwaram participated in the japam. Local people fed more than 40000 outsiders. We arranged local tractors to transport the people.</b>
<i>8. Q: Now, what is the situation?</i>
DK: Now Navy, Coast Guard and special police are deployed to prevent people from going near the site.
<i>
9. Q: What is your experience with the Judiciary?</i>
DK: A Good number of the judiciary are political appointees, this is the defacto standard from the lowest to the highest courts in the country. In Tamilnadu especially, the unwritten rule is one has to be in the good books of DMK, and tow DK idealogy to win a judge post. Even though the Judges may be faithful Hindus at home, they cannot openly profess their faith, and they will be branded as sanathani, if they are practising Hindus. Judges will not go against the political ideology of ruling party. The malady can be traced to the Indian Constitution.
The Constitution and law have inbuilt features that discriminates Hindus NEGATIVELY. Even those 15 % of judges who are independent and fair minded are also gagged. Even the Supreme Court is not free. Hindus cannot establish their human rights and religious rights through courts as we have seen in so many cases. The media is also against Hindus and gives negative propaganda for any Hindu cause.
Hindus have been betrayed by the rulers. we are victimized and politically we have been cheated and constitutionally demoted to fourth class citizens. Hindus cannot seek protection from the police nor establish their rights through courts as we have seen in so many cases. One has to belong to a Minority Community if you want a decent hearing ( a minority is largely understood to be Muslim or a Christian not Jains, Buddhists or Sikhs ), or member of a political party, or belonging to a SC/ST Community if the case has to admitted.Many cases filed by Hindu activists have been dismissed even at the time of submitting an application to the Court registrar.
As you know the Acharya Sabha's review petition has been dismissed by the Supreme Court. (This was in May 2007)... Even the Supreme Court is not free...he cites. Hindus will find it very difficult establish their rights through courts.Hindus have been betrayed by rulers, (*reiterates*) by practice we are victimized and politically we have been cheated, and constitutionally reduced to class iv citizens.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->So much for borat's imaginary musings on common people "bla bla bla".
In all my experience of free software, there was one, <i>only one</i> - among all those free apps I've come across on the net - that was by a communist. And as can be expected, the author's communitwit intelligence was so ... how to put it tactfully ... so sadly lacking, that the software was universally regarded by reviewers as being a total dud (and even if it had worked was the most un-innovative, useless thing anyway, as a number remarked). The example is reflective of communist 'contribution' in general. Totally useless.
Communitwits don't know any real common people. They just like *talking* (pontificating and preaching) about "poor people", and "food", and "classes" of people "struggling". It's 'cause they want to play saviour and implement their salvific solution, just like those others of The Monotheistic Tendencies. And yet the only thing communists have ever achieved (if it can be described as an achievement) is to brainwash good decent people into killing others/themselves/each other.
After which they invite themselves over to non-psecular, non-communist, non-confused places of interaction - say like IF - to try peddling their CommUtopian salvation stories all over again. It's but jeebusjehovallah and one more class of cannibal sheep.
<!--QuoteBegin-barat+Dec 10 2008, 12:15 PM-->QUOTE(barat @ Dec 10 2008, 12:15 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Most people here [...] have the wrong idea that anyone who believes in Socialism must be a Hindu basher. That simply isn't true.
[right][snapback]91679[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Borat is very much mistaken. Most people have merely observed that communists/leftists/marxists/leninists/maoists/stalinists/socialists (both of the red variety and the national socialists=nazi type) are suffering from *self-inflicted* mental retardation.
Of course, Bharatiyas also know that a leftist is not a Hindu but a mleccha. Bertrand Russell also correctly noted that communism/leftism is merely a christian heresy.
Oh look. Here's more of the views of the non-Indian/non-Hindu part of the world on the inanity that is moronism - sorry, how inconsiderate of me - marxism/communism I mean:
http://kwelos.tripod.com/marxism.htm
<b>Buddhism and Marxism: persecutions in Tibet, USSR, Mongolia, Cambodia/Kampuchea - and the evangelical aftermath.</b>
http://kwelos.tripod.com/memes.htm
<b>Religions of Fear and Hate - Memes and Malevolent Mind Viruses</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-barat+Dec 10 2008, 12:15 PM-->QUOTE(barat @ Dec 10 2008, 12:15 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Most people here, like <b>our</b> comrade Vishwas[right][snapback]91679[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->"Our"? Not yet <i>more</i> references to imaginary friends! Is IF located so near an Institution Of Loose Nuts And Bolts that all its inmates sneak off to here? Brat's like a clone of "ravish". So very similar. But then, all Red Queens are clones - they're the same in every pack of cards.
The use of "our" in the above quoteblock by Escapee #2 From Looney Asylum is entertaining in and of itself. While Vishwas certainly has friends and acquaintances at IF (and is a familiar and friendly presence), barat has none - leastways not here. Another curiosity is the commie tactic of deflecting the terminology they earlier stole and tainted (the formerly respectable word "comrade" - before it fell into the hands of the KKKommunistas, that is) onto others. None here are blind. Everyone can clearly make out that barat's the Red Queen and that Vishwas isn't. If borat would only understand, there's no point trying to fool conscious Hindus: communist programming only works on the easily misled (borat's tragic case being a prime example).
From the link posted in #303 - interview with "Shri. D.Kuppuramu- Convenor- Ram Sethu Protection Movement"
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx...eID=6165&SKIN=B
Hindu Hero Shri Kuppuramu speaks of Tamizh Nadu:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>My ancestor were warriors and military chiefs who were attached to the Ramanathpuram Samasthanam</b> and dedicated to the king Sethupathi Maharaja. I am a son of the Soil .Sethupathis have been tradtionally the protectors of Ram Serthu, and they take oath for that. <b>I have no other interest other than protecting this ancient monument.</b> Hence I represent all Hindus.
[...]
3. Q: You were a leftist in younger days; Leftists are generally known to be anti-Hindu, how come you were attracted towards religion and to Save Ramsethu?
DK: I was born in traditional and religious family. In college days, I was inclined towards leftist thinking. In 1984-85 I came in contact with Sri Atmananda Swami. I had extended debates with him for more than one year, and got convinced in the Spiritual principles. Since 1985 I have been associated with RSS. The Swami is now no more. He was my friend, Guru and guide.
[...]
<b><i>7. Q: What was the response from common people?</i>
DK: The response was overwhelming! We had an Anjaneya vigraha carved out of 'Atti' wood and we had planned for taking it to Danushkodi and arranged for the chanting of Ram Nama. We had deployed 360 Swayamsevaks to organize the japam. Suddenly we were overwhelmed by the presence of over one lakh (one hundred thousand) people! Everybody in Rameshwaram participated in the japam. Local people fed more than 40000 outsiders. We arranged local tractors to transport the people.</b>
<i>8. Q: Now, what is the situation?</i>
DK: Now Navy, Coast Guard and special police are deployed to prevent people from going near the site.
<i>
9. Q: What is your experience with the Judiciary?</i>
DK: A Good number of the judiciary are political appointees, this is the defacto standard from the lowest to the highest courts in the country. In Tamilnadu especially, the unwritten rule is one has to be in the good books of DMK, and tow DK idealogy to win a judge post. Even though the Judges may be faithful Hindus at home, they cannot openly profess their faith, and they will be branded as sanathani, if they are practising Hindus. Judges will not go against the political ideology of ruling party. The malady can be traced to the Indian Constitution.
The Constitution and law have inbuilt features that discriminates Hindus NEGATIVELY. Even those 15 % of judges who are independent and fair minded are also gagged. Even the Supreme Court is not free. Hindus cannot establish their human rights and religious rights through courts as we have seen in so many cases. The media is also against Hindus and gives negative propaganda for any Hindu cause.
Hindus have been betrayed by the rulers. we are victimized and politically we have been cheated and constitutionally demoted to fourth class citizens. Hindus cannot seek protection from the police nor establish their rights through courts as we have seen in so many cases. One has to belong to a Minority Community if you want a decent hearing ( a minority is largely understood to be Muslim or a Christian not Jains, Buddhists or Sikhs ), or member of a political party, or belonging to a SC/ST Community if the case has to admitted.Many cases filed by Hindu activists have been dismissed even at the time of submitting an application to the Court registrar.
As you know the Acharya Sabha's review petition has been dismissed by the Supreme Court. (This was in May 2007)... Even the Supreme Court is not free...he cites. Hindus will find it very difficult establish their rights through courts.Hindus have been betrayed by rulers, (*reiterates*) by practice we are victimized and politically we have been cheated, and constitutionally reduced to class iv citizens.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->So much for borat's imaginary musings on common people "bla bla bla".
In all my experience of free software, there was one, <i>only one</i> - among all those free apps I've come across on the net - that was by a communist. And as can be expected, the author's communitwit intelligence was so ... how to put it tactfully ... so sadly lacking, that the software was universally regarded by reviewers as being a total dud (and even if it had worked was the most un-innovative, useless thing anyway, as a number remarked). The example is reflective of communist 'contribution' in general. Totally useless.
Communitwits don't know any real common people. They just like *talking* (pontificating and preaching) about "poor people", and "food", and "classes" of people "struggling". It's 'cause they want to play saviour and implement their salvific solution, just like those others of The Monotheistic Tendencies. And yet the only thing communists have ever achieved (if it can be described as an achievement) is to brainwash good decent people into killing others/themselves/each other.
After which they invite themselves over to non-psecular, non-communist, non-confused places of interaction - say like IF - to try peddling their CommUtopian salvation stories all over again. It's but jeebusjehovallah and one more class of cannibal sheep.
<!--QuoteBegin-barat+Dec 10 2008, 12:15 PM-->QUOTE(barat @ Dec 10 2008, 12:15 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Most people here [...] have the wrong idea that anyone who believes in Socialism must be a Hindu basher. That simply isn't true.
[right][snapback]91679[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Borat is very much mistaken. Most people have merely observed that communists/leftists/marxists/leninists/maoists/stalinists/socialists (both of the red variety and the national socialists=nazi type) are suffering from *self-inflicted* mental retardation.
Of course, Bharatiyas also know that a leftist is not a Hindu but a mleccha. Bertrand Russell also correctly noted that communism/leftism is merely a christian heresy.
Oh look. Here's more of the views of the non-Indian/non-Hindu part of the world on the inanity that is moronism - sorry, how inconsiderate of me - marxism/communism I mean:
http://kwelos.tripod.com/marxism.htm
<b>Buddhism and Marxism: persecutions in Tibet, USSR, Mongolia, Cambodia/Kampuchea - and the evangelical aftermath.</b>
http://kwelos.tripod.com/memes.htm
<b>Religions of Fear and Hate - Memes and Malevolent Mind Viruses</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-barat+Dec 10 2008, 12:15 PM-->QUOTE(barat @ Dec 10 2008, 12:15 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Most people here, like <b>our</b> comrade Vishwas[right][snapback]91679[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->"Our"? Not yet <i>more</i> references to imaginary friends! Is IF located so near an Institution Of Loose Nuts And Bolts that all its inmates sneak off to here? Brat's like a clone of "ravish". So very similar. But then, all Red Queens are clones - they're the same in every pack of cards.
The use of "our" in the above quoteblock by Escapee #2 From Looney Asylum is entertaining in and of itself. While Vishwas certainly has friends and acquaintances at IF (and is a familiar and friendly presence), barat has none - leastways not here. Another curiosity is the commie tactic of deflecting the terminology they earlier stole and tainted (the formerly respectable word "comrade" - before it fell into the hands of the KKKommunistas, that is) onto others. None here are blind. Everyone can clearly make out that barat's the Red Queen and that Vishwas isn't. If borat would only understand, there's no point trying to fool conscious Hindus: communist programming only works on the easily misled (borat's tragic case being a prime example).