Shambhu, two parts that may need some further clarification and correction:
<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Dec 9 2008, 11:56 PM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Dec 9 2008, 11:56 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->5. Kashmir: When India was partitioned, the princely state of Kashmir said it wanted a year to decide whom to join, India or Pakistan. So it was given a year. But Pakistan could not wait a year. Within 2 months, the Pakistan Army and irregulars invaded Kashmir. They started looting and raping. The Hindu prince came to Delhi and asked for Indian aid, even the islamic spiritual head of Kasmit wanted <b>India</b> (Pakistan, I think you mean) to stop the looting.[right][snapback]91652[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Dec 9 2008, 11:56 PM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Dec 9 2008, 11:56 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->4. Muslims being disenfranchised: I have several educated muslim friends, whose families gave shown that if the chooses to be educated,[right][snapback]91652[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From Shambhu's post to Katty:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Your guest said educated hindu youth of the RSS were talking calmly about a "pure" India, implying intolerance for muslims.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->How convenient of the terrorists to forget that christos and islamics have always talked about destroying Hindus and Hinduism in India and making it islamic or christian.
Recent examples:
<b>1. Islamania's plans:</b>
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/12/pak...-capturing.html
See <b>images here, from TSP newspaper. Plans of what parts of India will be islamised and which they intend to steal into TSP by 2012 and 2020.</b>
Islamic plans above are the objective of all the present TSP, BD and 'Indian' jihadism (islamic attacks) against Bharatam, Hindus and Hindu Dharma. Such plans (Mughalistan, etc.) are the direct cause of the mass infiltration of islamic peoples from BD and TSP into Bharatam, their hoisting of BD and TSP flags in the Assamese villages they've taken over and in Mumbai (as psecular Simi Garewal admitted) and elsewhere in India.
On the matter of Kashmir: Kashmir is not particularly special to 20th and 21st century islamism other than that it is merely their *first* open claim on Bharatam/Hindus' land. It is them trying to get their foot in the door.
Look how their map for 2020 at the link marks the southern region of Hindu Bharatam (the land the christoDMK currently imagine is theirs) as "disputed territory" for that future year. "Disputed territory" is what Pukestan - and their missionary and Amerikkkan helpmates - try to get the world to designate Kashmir as now.
<b>2. Examples of christomaniacs terrorising Hindus into conversion and trying to take over Bharatam.</b>
http://freetruth.50webs.org/Overview4.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The twin militant outfits,<b> NSCN(IM) and NSCN(K) have demanded annexation of land from the Buddhist and other indigenous faith followers and issued a decree for their conversion to Christianity</b>
  The militant outfits have left the villagers with two options â embrace Christianity or face capital punishment.
  -- Arunachal Buddhists allege militants harassment - <b>Assam Tribune onlin</b>e, August 23, 2004<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Baptist Church</b> is involved in backing separatist rebels
  ... rebel National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) ... <b>forcing Tripura's indigenous tribes to become Christians and give up Hindu forms of worship in areas under their control</b>. ...
  The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the <b>kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura</b>
  -- Church backing Tripura rebels - <b>BBC News</b>, 18 April, 2000<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Shambhu, do ask Katty her opinion on the US churches funding genocide in India. And ask her when she is finally going to report some well-documented facts, instead of merely interviewing bigoted christian/islamic apologists for terrorism who wish to spread their christoislamic propaganda to conceal what the massacres their kindred are committing against Dharmics in our land.
http://christianaggression.org/features_nlft.php
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Funding and Church Support</b>
The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) is heavily funded by many Baptist Churches. Just a year before the Baptist Church assisted the foundation of the NLFT, they called for Christians to target the âmillions of Hindus and Jews lost in the darknessâ of their respective faiths. The NLFT is basically a violent muscle arm of the church and its missionaries.
Since the foundation of the NLFT, the Baptist Church has been supporting this violent campaign by providing funding and arms for the group. (Confirmed <i>even</i> by BBC news above.)
In April of 2000, Nagmanlal Halam, secretary of the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura, caught providing 50 gelatine sticks, 5kg of potassium and 2kg of sulphur and other ingredients for making explosives to the group. Afterwards, Halam confessed to buying and supplying explosives to the NLFT for the past two years. In another incident in August of 2003, police arrested the Secretary of a Baptist Christian Missionary church in North Tripura District who was in possession of five kg of potassium, one kg sulphur, few gelatin sticks and 45 gm of high explosive materials.
In Tripura, such arrest and seizures of arms and explosives from the members of the Baptist church is a common occurrence and the link between the National Liberation Front of Tripura and the Baptist Church has been well established.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ishwar Sharan's hamsa.org site:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This activity is especially evident in Orissa, Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu. <b>In Arunachal Pradesh</b> where proselytizing and conversion are illegal, <b>Christians claim whole villages and put up signboards that say "Non-Christians Not Allowed" at their entrances.</b> These Arunachal converts originate from Mother Teresaâs institutions in Assam where they are indoctrinated and baptized and then sent back to their villages to convert the elders. In Tamil Nadu Christian slogans appear on Hindu pilgrim routes to Tirupati and on the route around Arunachala Hill at Tiruvannamalai that pilgrims circumambulate on full moon days. ... The theoretical ground for this "good deed" has been laid years ago by Catholic theologians and missionaries like Fr. Raimundo Panikker and the Benedictine monk Abhishiktananda. <b>They have already claimed the holy hill and all of India for Christ in their writings.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Catholics are about 75-80% of all Indian christians.
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/books...ion17.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Sangh is even less combative vis-Ã -vis Christianity than vis-Ã -vis Islam. The Christian Churches must be counted among Hindutva's most determined enemies. Much of the negative image which the BJP has acquired internationally is due to the lasting powerful impact of the Churches on the information stream concerning the Third World. In quarrels between the Hindutva forces and the Muslims or the secularists, the Christian institutions are invariably on the anti-Hindu side. There are also ChrisÂtian armed separatÂist movements in Nagaland and Mizoram, which are openly supported by the World Council of Churches and by a number of Catholic institutions.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And not to forget:
Nagaland for christ, DailyPioneer. (Pioneer article also at IF, second part of post: Nagaland for Christ: Muivah)
Yet the same christo militant NSCN Isak Muivah group says this claim of "Nagaland for chwist" is still a very 'secular' wish. Very psecular. Meanwhile, though NSCN Isak Muivah is a faction of NSCN, it nevertheless - as christos are wont to do - clashed very violently with another very faithful christian militant group:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Thousands flee as Nagaland militants clash
www.hindu.com/2006/10/28/stories/2006102804161200.htm
Guwahati: Over 4,000 people have fled their houses in Nagaland's Zunheboto district after a gunbattle broke out between the rival militant factions â National Socialist Council of Nagalim (Isak Muivah) and the NSCN (Khaplang).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Non-existent jeebus acts through them. Hence their christo group name of NSCN "national socialist" - which their earlier German christian counterparts had shortened to nazis. So Hindus should call these christos by the same term as well.
That's some examples of christoterrorists making open claims about our people and our land. Something which no one wants to discuss on christo tv in India or outside of course. Because christoislamaniacs making claims on heathens is very secular. But - by their non-existent gawd - they will <i>absolutely</i> never let heathens exert any rights on their own heathen persons or their own heathen property. The very idea is considered blasphemous to the plans of their fictive jeebusjehovallah: how dare heathens live (let alone prosper) in peace *somewhere*/anywhere on the planet. It is not allowed. Invade India, rest of Asia, Africa. Undermine, convert, steal, genocide them all. Jeebusjehovallah wills it so. And the media will not cover it (and if the heathens resist, the international christo media will invert such resistance and make it look like the heathens are the intolerant aggressors).
Predictable that Katty has no qualms (or otherwise she merely has amnesia) about how her own illegal presence in AmeriKKKa was made possible only by the near-complete genocide of the real population of the continent. The christian invaders have bloodied - not even she/her interviewees would dare use the word 'purified' (probably because they'd just rather pretend it didn't happen at all) - the land that they stole from its legitimate native American inhabitants.
Maintaining a studied *christian* silence on their own genocide in the Americas, they but naturally condone their own nazi christoislami kindred's genocide of Dharmics in India and the rest of Asia (Africa, and elsewhere), while pretending that Hindus are the aggressors.
How any person may tell that the international christian condones what's really going on, is by the way they:
- do careful one-sided reporting on all matters pertaining to the religious terrorism of christoislaminazism in India;
- choose liars to interview to present the Indian situation in its most inverted form: that the christoislami nazis are in fact the victims when it so obviously is the christoislamiterrorists that are committing a systematic genocide in India;
- refuse to educate themselves on the real situation, even as they insist on spinning more and more lies about it
We have a right to our own country. A Dharmic heathen country for Dharmic heathens. Enough of christoislami stealing of others' lands. They stole Rome, Greece, all of Europe, all of the Americas, the Phillipines. Arabia, Anatolia, Persia, huge parts of larger Bharatam, much of Southeast and Central Asia. Now much of Africa, large parts of China (through christian infiltration into the 'communist' party), most of Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh, Tripura and Mizoram, Nepal (through christian maoists in power). Parts of Serbia. And yet their bloodlust is not satiated. They will claim all. And some Hindus are foolish enough to let the cannibalistic nazi sheep continue to make these illegitimate claims on our land and people, as if that were the height of psecularism. And - worse: they will denounce any Hindus making legitimate claims about our own land and people as committing the most unspeakable and unsecular act. People standing up to their complete destruction is not unsecular.
There is No Room At All for christoislamism=nazism anywhere in the world. Because forever and all over, christoislamism has spelled only genocide, holocaust, pogroms and terrorism to all indigenous traditions and inhabitants. To say No to this world genocide is a natural and just reaction. None sane would agree to continue to live with a *known* serial murderer, thief and liar. To finally say No to christoislami genocide (which is all there is to christoislamism) is *not* intolerance on anyone's part. And it's well past time that Hindus/Dharmics in India said it.
Bharatam is Hindu Rashtra. A place where all Dharmics and Natural Traditionalists have refuge, just as many had obtained in the past as well. But it is also a place that must (will) challenge and defeat christoislamism definitively.
Any negotiating with christoislamism is the same as striking a deal with nazism.
There can be no deals. Both christianism and islamism have clearly stated that their intention is to wipe our very being off the face of the world. And yet 'Hindoos' are still only too eager to negotiate the terms on which this will happen ("please eat my grandmother, she's old and moreover believes in some mythological Gods anyway; just don't take me... Not yet. Wait, I'll toss in my granddad tooooo.")
>> Cont.
<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Dec 9 2008, 11:56 PM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Dec 9 2008, 11:56 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->5. Kashmir: When India was partitioned, the princely state of Kashmir said it wanted a year to decide whom to join, India or Pakistan. So it was given a year. But Pakistan could not wait a year. Within 2 months, the Pakistan Army and irregulars invaded Kashmir. They started looting and raping. The Hindu prince came to Delhi and asked for Indian aid, even the islamic spiritual head of Kasmit wanted <b>India</b> (Pakistan, I think you mean) to stop the looting.[right][snapback]91652[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Dec 9 2008, 11:56 PM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Dec 9 2008, 11:56 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->4. Muslims being disenfranchised: I have several educated muslim friends, whose families gave shown that if the chooses to be educated,[right][snapback]91652[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From Shambhu's post to Katty:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Your guest said educated hindu youth of the RSS were talking calmly about a "pure" India, implying intolerance for muslims.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->How convenient of the terrorists to forget that christos and islamics have always talked about destroying Hindus and Hinduism in India and making it islamic or christian.
Recent examples:
<b>1. Islamania's plans:</b>
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/12/pak...-capturing.html
See <b>images here, from TSP newspaper. Plans of what parts of India will be islamised and which they intend to steal into TSP by 2012 and 2020.</b>
Islamic plans above are the objective of all the present TSP, BD and 'Indian' jihadism (islamic attacks) against Bharatam, Hindus and Hindu Dharma. Such plans (Mughalistan, etc.) are the direct cause of the mass infiltration of islamic peoples from BD and TSP into Bharatam, their hoisting of BD and TSP flags in the Assamese villages they've taken over and in Mumbai (as psecular Simi Garewal admitted) and elsewhere in India.
On the matter of Kashmir: Kashmir is not particularly special to 20th and 21st century islamism other than that it is merely their *first* open claim on Bharatam/Hindus' land. It is them trying to get their foot in the door.
Look how their map for 2020 at the link marks the southern region of Hindu Bharatam (the land the christoDMK currently imagine is theirs) as "disputed territory" for that future year. "Disputed territory" is what Pukestan - and their missionary and Amerikkkan helpmates - try to get the world to designate Kashmir as now.
<b>2. Examples of christomaniacs terrorising Hindus into conversion and trying to take over Bharatam.</b>
http://freetruth.50webs.org/Overview4.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The twin militant outfits,<b> NSCN(IM) and NSCN(K) have demanded annexation of land from the Buddhist and other indigenous faith followers and issued a decree for their conversion to Christianity</b>
  The militant outfits have left the villagers with two options â embrace Christianity or face capital punishment.
  -- Arunachal Buddhists allege militants harassment - <b>Assam Tribune onlin</b>e, August 23, 2004<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Baptist Church</b> is involved in backing separatist rebels
  ... rebel National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) ... <b>forcing Tripura's indigenous tribes to become Christians and give up Hindu forms of worship in areas under their control</b>. ...
  The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the <b>kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura</b>
  -- Church backing Tripura rebels - <b>BBC News</b>, 18 April, 2000<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Shambhu, do ask Katty her opinion on the US churches funding genocide in India. And ask her when she is finally going to report some well-documented facts, instead of merely interviewing bigoted christian/islamic apologists for terrorism who wish to spread their christoislamic propaganda to conceal what the massacres their kindred are committing against Dharmics in our land.
http://christianaggression.org/features_nlft.php
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Funding and Church Support</b>
The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) is heavily funded by many Baptist Churches. Just a year before the Baptist Church assisted the foundation of the NLFT, they called for Christians to target the âmillions of Hindus and Jews lost in the darknessâ of their respective faiths. The NLFT is basically a violent muscle arm of the church and its missionaries.
Since the foundation of the NLFT, the Baptist Church has been supporting this violent campaign by providing funding and arms for the group. (Confirmed <i>even</i> by BBC news above.)
In April of 2000, Nagmanlal Halam, secretary of the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura, caught providing 50 gelatine sticks, 5kg of potassium and 2kg of sulphur and other ingredients for making explosives to the group. Afterwards, Halam confessed to buying and supplying explosives to the NLFT for the past two years. In another incident in August of 2003, police arrested the Secretary of a Baptist Christian Missionary church in North Tripura District who was in possession of five kg of potassium, one kg sulphur, few gelatin sticks and 45 gm of high explosive materials.
In Tripura, such arrest and seizures of arms and explosives from the members of the Baptist church is a common occurrence and the link between the National Liberation Front of Tripura and the Baptist Church has been well established.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ishwar Sharan's hamsa.org site:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This activity is especially evident in Orissa, Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu. <b>In Arunachal Pradesh</b> where proselytizing and conversion are illegal, <b>Christians claim whole villages and put up signboards that say "Non-Christians Not Allowed" at their entrances.</b> These Arunachal converts originate from Mother Teresaâs institutions in Assam where they are indoctrinated and baptized and then sent back to their villages to convert the elders. In Tamil Nadu Christian slogans appear on Hindu pilgrim routes to Tirupati and on the route around Arunachala Hill at Tiruvannamalai that pilgrims circumambulate on full moon days. ... The theoretical ground for this "good deed" has been laid years ago by Catholic theologians and missionaries like Fr. Raimundo Panikker and the Benedictine monk Abhishiktananda. <b>They have already claimed the holy hill and all of India for Christ in their writings.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Catholics are about 75-80% of all Indian christians.
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/books...ion17.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Sangh is even less combative vis-Ã -vis Christianity than vis-Ã -vis Islam. The Christian Churches must be counted among Hindutva's most determined enemies. Much of the negative image which the BJP has acquired internationally is due to the lasting powerful impact of the Churches on the information stream concerning the Third World. In quarrels between the Hindutva forces and the Muslims or the secularists, the Christian institutions are invariably on the anti-Hindu side. There are also ChrisÂtian armed separatÂist movements in Nagaland and Mizoram, which are openly supported by the World Council of Churches and by a number of Catholic institutions.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And not to forget:
Nagaland for christ, DailyPioneer. (Pioneer article also at IF, second part of post: Nagaland for Christ: Muivah)
Yet the same christo militant NSCN Isak Muivah group says this claim of "Nagaland for chwist" is still a very 'secular' wish. Very psecular. Meanwhile, though NSCN Isak Muivah is a faction of NSCN, it nevertheless - as christos are wont to do - clashed very violently with another very faithful christian militant group:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Thousands flee as Nagaland militants clash
www.hindu.com/2006/10/28/stories/2006102804161200.htm
Guwahati: Over 4,000 people have fled their houses in Nagaland's Zunheboto district after a gunbattle broke out between the rival militant factions â National Socialist Council of Nagalim (Isak Muivah) and the NSCN (Khaplang).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Non-existent jeebus acts through them. Hence their christo group name of NSCN "national socialist" - which their earlier German christian counterparts had shortened to nazis. So Hindus should call these christos by the same term as well.
That's some examples of christoterrorists making open claims about our people and our land. Something which no one wants to discuss on christo tv in India or outside of course. Because christoislamaniacs making claims on heathens is very secular. But - by their non-existent gawd - they will <i>absolutely</i> never let heathens exert any rights on their own heathen persons or their own heathen property. The very idea is considered blasphemous to the plans of their fictive jeebusjehovallah: how dare heathens live (let alone prosper) in peace *somewhere*/anywhere on the planet. It is not allowed. Invade India, rest of Asia, Africa. Undermine, convert, steal, genocide them all. Jeebusjehovallah wills it so. And the media will not cover it (and if the heathens resist, the international christo media will invert such resistance and make it look like the heathens are the intolerant aggressors).
Predictable that Katty has no qualms (or otherwise she merely has amnesia) about how her own illegal presence in AmeriKKKa was made possible only by the near-complete genocide of the real population of the continent. The christian invaders have bloodied - not even she/her interviewees would dare use the word 'purified' (probably because they'd just rather pretend it didn't happen at all) - the land that they stole from its legitimate native American inhabitants.
Maintaining a studied *christian* silence on their own genocide in the Americas, they but naturally condone their own nazi christoislami kindred's genocide of Dharmics in India and the rest of Asia (Africa, and elsewhere), while pretending that Hindus are the aggressors.
How any person may tell that the international christian condones what's really going on, is by the way they:
- do careful one-sided reporting on all matters pertaining to the religious terrorism of christoislaminazism in India;
- choose liars to interview to present the Indian situation in its most inverted form: that the christoislami nazis are in fact the victims when it so obviously is the christoislamiterrorists that are committing a systematic genocide in India;
- refuse to educate themselves on the real situation, even as they insist on spinning more and more lies about it
We have a right to our own country. A Dharmic heathen country for Dharmic heathens. Enough of christoislami stealing of others' lands. They stole Rome, Greece, all of Europe, all of the Americas, the Phillipines. Arabia, Anatolia, Persia, huge parts of larger Bharatam, much of Southeast and Central Asia. Now much of Africa, large parts of China (through christian infiltration into the 'communist' party), most of Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh, Tripura and Mizoram, Nepal (through christian maoists in power). Parts of Serbia. And yet their bloodlust is not satiated. They will claim all. And some Hindus are foolish enough to let the cannibalistic nazi sheep continue to make these illegitimate claims on our land and people, as if that were the height of psecularism. And - worse: they will denounce any Hindus making legitimate claims about our own land and people as committing the most unspeakable and unsecular act. People standing up to their complete destruction is not unsecular.
There is No Room At All for christoislamism=nazism anywhere in the world. Because forever and all over, christoislamism has spelled only genocide, holocaust, pogroms and terrorism to all indigenous traditions and inhabitants. To say No to this world genocide is a natural and just reaction. None sane would agree to continue to live with a *known* serial murderer, thief and liar. To finally say No to christoislami genocide (which is all there is to christoislamism) is *not* intolerance on anyone's part. And it's well past time that Hindus/Dharmics in India said it.
Bharatam is Hindu Rashtra. A place where all Dharmics and Natural Traditionalists have refuge, just as many had obtained in the past as well. But it is also a place that must (will) challenge and defeat christoislamism definitively.
Any negotiating with christoislamism is the same as striking a deal with nazism.
There can be no deals. Both christianism and islamism have clearly stated that their intention is to wipe our very being off the face of the world. And yet 'Hindoos' are still only too eager to negotiate the terms on which this will happen ("please eat my grandmother, she's old and moreover believes in some mythological Gods anyway; just don't take me... Not yet. Wait, I'll toss in my granddad tooooo.")
>> Cont.