<!--QuoteBegin-Savithri+Dec 25 2008, 03:40 AM-->QUOTE(Savithri @ Dec 25 2008, 03:40 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Dec 24 2008, 09:38 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mudy @ Dec 24 2008, 09:38 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Shambu,
Never trust Subramanian Swamy. He is just creating space for himself. I had chat with him in 2003-04, he is just a good snake oil salesman.
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Mudyji,
Namaskaram. With great respect to you I have to humbly disagree with your imputation. Do you prohibit adults marrying men or women of their choice? Supposing if your own daughter does not listen to you and goes and marries a muslim or christian what do you do with her? Would you be like Advaniji and attend the wedding or would you publicly declare that she is a persona non grata? You will agree that this is a tough situation for every parent.
Dr.Swamy though a Brahmin by birth had himself married a Parsi lady because of mutual liking. So, has he lost his right to be a Hindu and speak for Hindus? Among the so many Indians, there are lots and lots of traitorous Hindus who sell their soul for nothing especially to Maino. Are they all greater than Dr.Swamy? So many Hindus wanted Ramasethu to be blown off the earth but it was Dr.Swamy who single handedly took its defense in the Supreme Court and has succeeded in preventing its destruction to the dismay of the DMK and the Congress. Is he yet inferior? All the Sankaracharyas in the country have blessed him in his valiant effort to save Ramasethu in their Srimukham which is given in the front of his book "Ramasethu". Dr.Swamy is kind of right hand man to Swami Dhayananda Saraswathi the convenor or Acharya Sabha. Do you think these great Sadhus should have shunned him because he married a parsi and his daughter married a Muslim?[right][snapback]92203[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->While I am not Mudy who was addressed here, I wish to comment.
Are you really equating marriage to a Parsee with marriage to a muslim? <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> Because you imply equal treatment here:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Do you think these great Sadhus should have shunned him because he married a parsi and his daughter married a Muslim?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->For Hindus to shun those of their own who marry (christo)islamaniacs is not an unreasonable practise and is in fact an established one.
I don't know enough/much of Mazda Yasna personally, but I think I know sufficient in order to say that it is not a threat to us. But islam *is*, it being a terrorist meme.
(However, I don't know that it is wise for Hindus to marry Parsees, because I read that the Mazdean religion as practised by Parsees ostracises any of their own who marry out of their religion. Surely Hindus don't want to force others out of their Natural Traditions. Also, the Parsee in question must know they are quitting their religion if undertaking any such inter-marriage. And if they then still proceed with it anyway, it seems to indicate that they have a tendency to secularism rather than loyalty to their God(s), traditions and ancestors. I am therefore not sure their judgement shows a desirable character, though such a disloyal quality is certainly not respresentative of other Parsees: those who do not intermarry. And in Swamy's case, his psecularism coupled with that of his formerly Parsee wife has apparently produced a very psecular daughter.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Do you prohibit adults marrying men or women of their choice?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Be serious. No one is prohibiting anyone from doing any such thing. Nor does the law enable any 'prohibition' either.
But Swamy not only allowed the marriage of his daughter to an islamaniac, he is living with it, meaning he is still endorsing it. Why in the world would any Hindu take his stance on important Hindu issues (like christoislamiterrorism) seriously when he is living in amity with the enemy ideology? Where is the proof that he will defend Hindu Dharma against christoislamic terrorism (the twin terrorist memes) when he cannot even put his foot down in his own home and keep it free of the memetic disease?
He can stand for nothing. His comments on christoislamism can mean nothing, except where they reveal a psecular attitude. I am sure he will end up defending them when the opportunity arises. The following is certainly indicative of this:
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Dec 25 2008, 08:28 AM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Dec 25 2008, 08:28 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Suhasini Haider, the daughter of Subramanian Swamy, and a hard core psec</b>, (married) with the son of Salman Haidar.[right][snapback]92212[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->His daughter is a "hard core psec", a term used for anti-Hindus.
If Swamy tolerates such characteristics in his own offspring (and has allowed "Suhasini" to grow up like that), then it says a lot about how far Hindus can trust him.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Would you be like Advaniji and attend the wedding or would you publicly declare that she is a persona non grata? You will agree that this is a tough situation for every parent.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->1. The girl should have grown a brain: learnt about other religions and the terrorisms for herself. She failed herself.
And if she will not help the Hindu community, at least she need not injure them by fraternising with terrorist ideologies bent on destroying Hindus.
2. Advani and wife should have raised her better: taught her about other religions and the terrorisms. They have neglected their duty.
3. Senseless behaviour should not be humoured. Just as each of us has the right and freedom to act out of personal foolishness - especially when we're "adults", as you brought up - we may then also be left to take personal responsibility for the consequences of such actions. (Or must everyone collectively keep paying for the actions of individuals? Why?) The parents should have left the daughter to herself upon her insistence to make the mistake. Instead they have let the terrorist meme into their midst which will poison everything else.
Psecularism is a great threat to Hindu Dharma; the meme is a <i>calculating</i> enemy. We simply cannot (blindly) trust leaders who are
a) obviously infected with it and/or
b) allowing it a place in their personal lives.
If such 'leaders' happen to help our cause - as Swamy does on occasion (for whatever personal reasons) like in the matter of RamarSethu - then, as Mudy says, we can go along with it <i>for as long as he is going our way</i>. But we owe him no loyalty. We owe Subramaniam Swamy nothing in fact - he is not really doing it for us, for Hindu Dharma or our Gods. When his path diverges from ours (and it will), we are under no obligation to follow him and, with any sense, we will not.
It is the <i>cause</i> in the Ramarsethu and other cases that is common to Swamy and the Hindu body. Nothing else.
Never trust Subramanian Swamy. He is just creating space for himself. I had chat with him in 2003-04, he is just a good snake oil salesman.
<b>His daughter is married to Muslim and they share same house in Delhi</b>. <!--emo&
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Mudyji,
Namaskaram. With great respect to you I have to humbly disagree with your imputation. Do you prohibit adults marrying men or women of their choice? Supposing if your own daughter does not listen to you and goes and marries a muslim or christian what do you do with her? Would you be like Advaniji and attend the wedding or would you publicly declare that she is a persona non grata? You will agree that this is a tough situation for every parent.
Dr.Swamy though a Brahmin by birth had himself married a Parsi lady because of mutual liking. So, has he lost his right to be a Hindu and speak for Hindus? Among the so many Indians, there are lots and lots of traitorous Hindus who sell their soul for nothing especially to Maino. Are they all greater than Dr.Swamy? So many Hindus wanted Ramasethu to be blown off the earth but it was Dr.Swamy who single handedly took its defense in the Supreme Court and has succeeded in preventing its destruction to the dismay of the DMK and the Congress. Is he yet inferior? All the Sankaracharyas in the country have blessed him in his valiant effort to save Ramasethu in their Srimukham which is given in the front of his book "Ramasethu". Dr.Swamy is kind of right hand man to Swami Dhayananda Saraswathi the convenor or Acharya Sabha. Do you think these great Sadhus should have shunned him because he married a parsi and his daughter married a Muslim?[right][snapback]92203[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->While I am not Mudy who was addressed here, I wish to comment.
Are you really equating marriage to a Parsee with marriage to a muslim? <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> Because you imply equal treatment here:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Do you think these great Sadhus should have shunned him because he married a parsi and his daughter married a Muslim?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->For Hindus to shun those of their own who marry (christo)islamaniacs is not an unreasonable practise and is in fact an established one.
I don't know enough/much of Mazda Yasna personally, but I think I know sufficient in order to say that it is not a threat to us. But islam *is*, it being a terrorist meme.
(However, I don't know that it is wise for Hindus to marry Parsees, because I read that the Mazdean religion as practised by Parsees ostracises any of their own who marry out of their religion. Surely Hindus don't want to force others out of their Natural Traditions. Also, the Parsee in question must know they are quitting their religion if undertaking any such inter-marriage. And if they then still proceed with it anyway, it seems to indicate that they have a tendency to secularism rather than loyalty to their God(s), traditions and ancestors. I am therefore not sure their judgement shows a desirable character, though such a disloyal quality is certainly not respresentative of other Parsees: those who do not intermarry. And in Swamy's case, his psecularism coupled with that of his formerly Parsee wife has apparently produced a very psecular daughter.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Do you prohibit adults marrying men or women of their choice?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Be serious. No one is prohibiting anyone from doing any such thing. Nor does the law enable any 'prohibition' either.
But Swamy not only allowed the marriage of his daughter to an islamaniac, he is living with it, meaning he is still endorsing it. Why in the world would any Hindu take his stance on important Hindu issues (like christoislamiterrorism) seriously when he is living in amity with the enemy ideology? Where is the proof that he will defend Hindu Dharma against christoislamic terrorism (the twin terrorist memes) when he cannot even put his foot down in his own home and keep it free of the memetic disease?
He can stand for nothing. His comments on christoislamism can mean nothing, except where they reveal a psecular attitude. I am sure he will end up defending them when the opportunity arises. The following is certainly indicative of this:
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Dec 25 2008, 08:28 AM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Dec 25 2008, 08:28 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Suhasini Haider, the daughter of Subramanian Swamy, and a hard core psec</b>, (married) with the son of Salman Haidar.[right][snapback]92212[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->His daughter is a "hard core psec", a term used for anti-Hindus.
If Swamy tolerates such characteristics in his own offspring (and has allowed "Suhasini" to grow up like that), then it says a lot about how far Hindus can trust him.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Would you be like Advaniji and attend the wedding or would you publicly declare that she is a persona non grata? You will agree that this is a tough situation for every parent.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->1. The girl should have grown a brain: learnt about other religions and the terrorisms for herself. She failed herself.
And if she will not help the Hindu community, at least she need not injure them by fraternising with terrorist ideologies bent on destroying Hindus.
2. Advani and wife should have raised her better: taught her about other religions and the terrorisms. They have neglected their duty.
3. Senseless behaviour should not be humoured. Just as each of us has the right and freedom to act out of personal foolishness - especially when we're "adults", as you brought up - we may then also be left to take personal responsibility for the consequences of such actions. (Or must everyone collectively keep paying for the actions of individuals? Why?) The parents should have left the daughter to herself upon her insistence to make the mistake. Instead they have let the terrorist meme into their midst which will poison everything else.
Psecularism is a great threat to Hindu Dharma; the meme is a <i>calculating</i> enemy. We simply cannot (blindly) trust leaders who are
a) obviously infected with it and/or
b) allowing it a place in their personal lives.
If such 'leaders' happen to help our cause - as Swamy does on occasion (for whatever personal reasons) like in the matter of RamarSethu - then, as Mudy says, we can go along with it <i>for as long as he is going our way</i>. But we owe him no loyalty. We owe Subramaniam Swamy nothing in fact - he is not really doing it for us, for Hindu Dharma or our Gods. When his path diverges from ours (and it will), we are under no obligation to follow him and, with any sense, we will not.
It is the <i>cause</i> in the Ramarsethu and other cases that is common to Swamy and the Hindu body. Nothing else.