12-02-2004, 06:45 PM
From another discussion that can be found here..
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Mountstuart Grant-Duff, the British Governer of Madras in his address to the students of the madras university in 1886 told the students "You are of pure Dravidian race" and he prceeded to say they have been cheated by the Brahmins (even though 75% of listeners were Brahmins) This is the first time in history a group of human beings have been addressed as Dravidian Race.
Therefore <span style='color:red'>Mountstuart Grant-Duff is the father of dravidian race and the year of birth of this race is 1886</b>.</span>
According to colonialists, this race comprises tamil non-brahmins. But the success of european colnialism was not just on military or political field. It's success was psychological and the people of India have adopted the colonialist's view of them instead of saying "Bugger off sonofabitch, we know who we are , you don't have
to tell us who we are".
Legends say that Brahma created brahmins from his mouth. Many people ask how is it possible? But here we have the evidence of Dravidians created from the mouth of Mountstuart Grant-Duff, the Governer of Madras in Anne Domino 1886.
<b>How to create Dravidian Race? Just by saying it again and again from the pens, mouths and keyboards of Western academics, Indologists, missionaries and colonialists</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I would argue that "Dravidian race" is of very dubious parentage, though there is little doubt that the parent is a missionary. :-)
The "birth" of the "Dravidian race", doesn't owe itself to any blissful union; rather it was an outcome of missionary hate for the Brahmins. If a union based on hate can be called rape, then "Dravidian race" is a product of rape. F.W.Ellis was the
Collector (District Magistrate) of Madras in 1817 A.D. He was a zealous missionary and hated Brahmins, whom he perceived as an impediment to large scale conversions. He said, as quoted by Professor J.D.M. Derrett in "Historiography of India, Pakistan and Ceylon", that: "the Brahmins are the unworthy purveyors of all evil and the greatest obstacle to missionary conversions." Then, Ellis would also say: "In the caste structure of Madras, there have always been dominant non-Brahmin castes, who have been always antagonistic to Brahmins, but srtived to maintain their parity with the Brahmins."
Thus were sown the seeds of divide.
Then came Mountstuart Elphinstone Grant-Duff, who also supplied the hate themes for the "Dravidianists". In the same event you had quoted, this person also said: "You (non-Brahmin "Dravidian race"!) have less to do with Sanskrit than we English have. Ruffianly Europeans speak of Indians as "Niggers", but they do not, like the
proud speakers or writers of Sanskrit, speak of the people of the South as legions of monkeys. It was these Sanskrit speakers, not Europeans, who lumped up the Southern races as 'Rakshasas' (demons). It was they who deliberately grounded all social distinctions of 'varna' or 'colour'."
Now you know who was the original author of the pet hate themes of the Dravidianists. This anti-Brahmin "Dravidianist" movement was actually led by the British missionaries, and their Tamil counterparts like the Justice Party and later Dravida Kazhagam, just played the role of paid henchmen, repeating *verbatim* what their masters taught them at Madras Christian College. Governors of Madras, such as, Lord Pentland and Lord Willingdon, hardly concealed their hatred for the Brahmins and openly propped up the "Dravidianists". Even some of the common "Dravidianist" hate "proverbs" directed at Brahmins were authored by their English missionary masters. Two of them quoted below, first find their mention in the book "Castes and Tribes of South India - Vol 6" edited by Professor Edgar Thurston in
1909:
"You can believe a "Paraiyan" in ten ways; but a Brahmin, you can not."
"If you see a Brahmin and a cobra (together), leave the cobra alone and attack the Brahmin first."
One of the leading "luminaries" of the "Dravidianist" movement, the anti-social element E.V.Ramaswamy Naicker would propagate the latter "proverb" in all his public speeches. His proteges would avidly implement them by cutting the sacred thread of the Brahmins and garlanding aging, defenseless Brahmin widows with chappals. I presume that a Brahmin and a cobra didn't appear together during his
time, for there is no record of the "Dravidianist" Talibans having stoned a Brahmin to death after sparing the cobra.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->We can trace the "template" for anti-brahmin, anti-sanskrit, anti-arya, anti-Hindu rhetoric of 20th C Dravidian movement from the speeched and writings , for the first time in English by Colonials and missionaries of 19th Century. It has no precedence in Tamil writings itself.
Dravidian movement have remained faithful to the colonial template and have added very little on top of that.
Another pet missionary scheme waa to paint Rama as an aryan villain who crushed "native dravidian race" . By reading Valmiki or Kamba Ramayanam, one cannot make out anything like that. Recently, some missionary-dalit orgs in the west are peddling some cooked up verse called "Oh aryan Rama, you cut off the head of untouchable Guha" and so on. This is even included in some courses on Hinduism organized by Wendy. But in Kamba Ramayanam, Rama calls Guhan a brother for helping him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><<<Dravidian movement have remained faithful to the colonial template and have added very little on top of that.>>>
That is because they didn't possess even one cerebral person in their entire camp, even to produce scholarship of the venomous variety. Not because they lacked they desire to do so.
<<<Another pet missionary scheme waa to paint Rama as an aryan villain who crushed "native dravidian race" . By reading Valmiki or Kamba Ramayanam, one cannot make out anything like that. Recently, some missionary-dalit orgs in the west are peddling some cooked up verse called "Oh aryan Rama, you cut off the head of untouchable Guha" and so on. This is even included in some courses on Hinduism organized by Wendy. But in Kamba Ramayanam, Rama calls Guhan a brother for helping 7:38 AM 12/16/02him.>>>
That too has its basis in the missionary schools. It was first started by P.Sundaram Pillai, who wrote filth about Ramayana and Sanskrit under the aegis of the missionaries at Madras Christian College (they gave out scholarships and prizes for such "refutations of Hinduism"!). Of course, the "Dravidianists" would soon run out of
any creativity, and hence another "Dravidianist scholar", C.N.Annadurai would declare in the state assembly that "Kamba Ramayanam" should be burnt!
<<<This is even included in some courses on Hinduism organized by Wendy. But in Kamba Ramayanam, Rama calls Guhan a brother for helping him.>>>
As Rama calls him so in Valmiki's version as well. I am not at all surprised that Wendy, who all along saw *only* sexuality in Indian works, has included "Dravidianist" drivel. She is not alone. Many western academics, though not displaying the same mind set publicly, have given credence to the "Dravidianist" movement in various ways. One such western Tamil Professor would elevate another DMK activist called IlakkuvanAr to the high pedestal. It is all in the game. all
these western academics who are today bashing Hinduism, will change colours if the NRIs decide to fund only those who are sensitive towards Hinduism.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Mountstuart Grant-Duff, the British Governer of Madras in his address to the students of the madras university in 1886 told the students "You are of pure Dravidian race" and he prceeded to say they have been cheated by the Brahmins (even though 75% of listeners were Brahmins) This is the first time in history a group of human beings have been addressed as Dravidian Race.
Therefore <span style='color:red'>Mountstuart Grant-Duff is the father of dravidian race and the year of birth of this race is 1886</b>.</span>
According to colonialists, this race comprises tamil non-brahmins. But the success of european colnialism was not just on military or political field. It's success was psychological and the people of India have adopted the colonialist's view of them instead of saying "Bugger off sonofabitch, we know who we are , you don't have
to tell us who we are".
Legends say that Brahma created brahmins from his mouth. Many people ask how is it possible? But here we have the evidence of Dravidians created from the mouth of Mountstuart Grant-Duff, the Governer of Madras in Anne Domino 1886.
<b>How to create Dravidian Race? Just by saying it again and again from the pens, mouths and keyboards of Western academics, Indologists, missionaries and colonialists</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I would argue that "Dravidian race" is of very dubious parentage, though there is little doubt that the parent is a missionary. :-)
The "birth" of the "Dravidian race", doesn't owe itself to any blissful union; rather it was an outcome of missionary hate for the Brahmins. If a union based on hate can be called rape, then "Dravidian race" is a product of rape. F.W.Ellis was the
Collector (District Magistrate) of Madras in 1817 A.D. He was a zealous missionary and hated Brahmins, whom he perceived as an impediment to large scale conversions. He said, as quoted by Professor J.D.M. Derrett in "Historiography of India, Pakistan and Ceylon", that: "the Brahmins are the unworthy purveyors of all evil and the greatest obstacle to missionary conversions." Then, Ellis would also say: "In the caste structure of Madras, there have always been dominant non-Brahmin castes, who have been always antagonistic to Brahmins, but srtived to maintain their parity with the Brahmins."
Thus were sown the seeds of divide.
Then came Mountstuart Elphinstone Grant-Duff, who also supplied the hate themes for the "Dravidianists". In the same event you had quoted, this person also said: "You (non-Brahmin "Dravidian race"!) have less to do with Sanskrit than we English have. Ruffianly Europeans speak of Indians as "Niggers", but they do not, like the
proud speakers or writers of Sanskrit, speak of the people of the South as legions of monkeys. It was these Sanskrit speakers, not Europeans, who lumped up the Southern races as 'Rakshasas' (demons). It was they who deliberately grounded all social distinctions of 'varna' or 'colour'."
Now you know who was the original author of the pet hate themes of the Dravidianists. This anti-Brahmin "Dravidianist" movement was actually led by the British missionaries, and their Tamil counterparts like the Justice Party and later Dravida Kazhagam, just played the role of paid henchmen, repeating *verbatim* what their masters taught them at Madras Christian College. Governors of Madras, such as, Lord Pentland and Lord Willingdon, hardly concealed their hatred for the Brahmins and openly propped up the "Dravidianists". Even some of the common "Dravidianist" hate "proverbs" directed at Brahmins were authored by their English missionary masters. Two of them quoted below, first find their mention in the book "Castes and Tribes of South India - Vol 6" edited by Professor Edgar Thurston in
1909:
"You can believe a "Paraiyan" in ten ways; but a Brahmin, you can not."
"If you see a Brahmin and a cobra (together), leave the cobra alone and attack the Brahmin first."
One of the leading "luminaries" of the "Dravidianist" movement, the anti-social element E.V.Ramaswamy Naicker would propagate the latter "proverb" in all his public speeches. His proteges would avidly implement them by cutting the sacred thread of the Brahmins and garlanding aging, defenseless Brahmin widows with chappals. I presume that a Brahmin and a cobra didn't appear together during his
time, for there is no record of the "Dravidianist" Talibans having stoned a Brahmin to death after sparing the cobra.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->We can trace the "template" for anti-brahmin, anti-sanskrit, anti-arya, anti-Hindu rhetoric of 20th C Dravidian movement from the speeched and writings , for the first time in English by Colonials and missionaries of 19th Century. It has no precedence in Tamil writings itself.
Dravidian movement have remained faithful to the colonial template and have added very little on top of that.
Another pet missionary scheme waa to paint Rama as an aryan villain who crushed "native dravidian race" . By reading Valmiki or Kamba Ramayanam, one cannot make out anything like that. Recently, some missionary-dalit orgs in the west are peddling some cooked up verse called "Oh aryan Rama, you cut off the head of untouchable Guha" and so on. This is even included in some courses on Hinduism organized by Wendy. But in Kamba Ramayanam, Rama calls Guhan a brother for helping him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><<<Dravidian movement have remained faithful to the colonial template and have added very little on top of that.>>>
That is because they didn't possess even one cerebral person in their entire camp, even to produce scholarship of the venomous variety. Not because they lacked they desire to do so.
<<<Another pet missionary scheme waa to paint Rama as an aryan villain who crushed "native dravidian race" . By reading Valmiki or Kamba Ramayanam, one cannot make out anything like that. Recently, some missionary-dalit orgs in the west are peddling some cooked up verse called "Oh aryan Rama, you cut off the head of untouchable Guha" and so on. This is even included in some courses on Hinduism organized by Wendy. But in Kamba Ramayanam, Rama calls Guhan a brother for helping 7:38 AM 12/16/02him.>>>
That too has its basis in the missionary schools. It was first started by P.Sundaram Pillai, who wrote filth about Ramayana and Sanskrit under the aegis of the missionaries at Madras Christian College (they gave out scholarships and prizes for such "refutations of Hinduism"!). Of course, the "Dravidianists" would soon run out of
any creativity, and hence another "Dravidianist scholar", C.N.Annadurai would declare in the state assembly that "Kamba Ramayanam" should be burnt!
<<<This is even included in some courses on Hinduism organized by Wendy. But in Kamba Ramayanam, Rama calls Guhan a brother for helping him.>>>
As Rama calls him so in Valmiki's version as well. I am not at all surprised that Wendy, who all along saw *only* sexuality in Indian works, has included "Dravidianist" drivel. She is not alone. Many western academics, though not displaying the same mind set publicly, have given credence to the "Dravidianist" movement in various ways. One such western Tamil Professor would elevate another DMK activist called IlakkuvanAr to the high pedestal. It is all in the game. all
these western academics who are today bashing Hinduism, will change colours if the NRIs decide to fund only those who are sensitive towards Hinduism.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->