Bodhi, Rajesh_G's #100 for you
Swamy G, #101 for you
Bodhi, for you again:
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Dec 27 2008, 09:34 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Dec 27 2008, 09:34 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Then there is something called <b>fate</b>! Read Todd's Annals of Rajasthan, where he records several instances where fate was simply against the Hindus, including in the second battle of Tarrain.[right][snapback]92296[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Fate? Pre-destination seems rather an unnecessary and drastic explanation.
Did you rather mean circumstance and ill-fortune ("a series of unfortunate events" and adverse factors), Bodhi?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->So, the failure does not lie there at all. The failure lies elsewhere - in inability of Hindu intellectuals in being able to grasp this creed called Islam. There is no worthwhile account telling anything about evaluation and strategic understanding of the idea behing Islam by any contemporary brAhmaNa, jaina or bauddha scholars<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I certainly agree with your assessment that Hindus/Dharmics have always suffered from one constant and fatal weakness when it comes to the terrorist ideology: they just don't get it. As a body, Dharmics have *never* 'got' christoislamism, not even now (I'm talking of the general populace here, not about IF, of course).
They don't study it, but still they assume they know it: they assume that it is the individual terrorist followers and not the religion that is to blame for every christoislamic crime. And then they proceed to be amazed at how its followers can behave so abysmally.
They will always accord the terrorist ideology surrounding the non-existent jeebusjehovallah a valid position, secure from criticism, and then wonder <i>why, oh why</i> do the terrorist followers not follow their ideology/gawd "better". It looks as if they feel it is wrong to criticise any religion (even one they don't take the pains of knowing), because they think all religions must have in their essence something good, that there can be no God or great teacher who can demand and command the cruellest things from its earthly followers. But jeebusjehovallah+mohammed combine is exactly such an ideological centre, the sort of terrorist centre that Dharmics had never previously encountered nor imagined existed.
But scholarship was not all that was wanting. A deep reading of the koran and babble is not *sufficient* to convince the Dharmics of the evil of the ideology itself, I think. (More is sometimes needed to drive this home, especially for the stubborn Dharmics who insist on automatically thinking well of every religion.) For that, I am convinced one needs to couple the reading of the koran-babble junk with a wider knowledge of how the twin plagues of christianism and islam treated the rest of the world. This second part was not available to the ancient Hindus, though they would at least have heard horrors of how it treated their own brethren in other parts of Bharatam.
However, we have fewer excuses now, as Dharmics of our time can actually know the terrorist ideology better: there is enough data available to us in books and web pages on how christoislamism had overrun the world in history and continues to do so now - sowing only discord and destruction wherever it lands - to prove that the gruesome theory of the koran-babble is *always* put into gory effect by the infected zombies "converts".
Swamy G, #101 for you
Bodhi, for you again:
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Dec 27 2008, 09:34 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Dec 27 2008, 09:34 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Then there is something called <b>fate</b>! Read Todd's Annals of Rajasthan, where he records several instances where fate was simply against the Hindus, including in the second battle of Tarrain.[right][snapback]92296[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Fate? Pre-destination seems rather an unnecessary and drastic explanation.
Did you rather mean circumstance and ill-fortune ("a series of unfortunate events" and adverse factors), Bodhi?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->So, the failure does not lie there at all. The failure lies elsewhere - in inability of Hindu intellectuals in being able to grasp this creed called Islam. There is no worthwhile account telling anything about evaluation and strategic understanding of the idea behing Islam by any contemporary brAhmaNa, jaina or bauddha scholars<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I certainly agree with your assessment that Hindus/Dharmics have always suffered from one constant and fatal weakness when it comes to the terrorist ideology: they just don't get it. As a body, Dharmics have *never* 'got' christoislamism, not even now (I'm talking of the general populace here, not about IF, of course).
They don't study it, but still they assume they know it: they assume that it is the individual terrorist followers and not the religion that is to blame for every christoislamic crime. And then they proceed to be amazed at how its followers can behave so abysmally.
They will always accord the terrorist ideology surrounding the non-existent jeebusjehovallah a valid position, secure from criticism, and then wonder <i>why, oh why</i> do the terrorist followers not follow their ideology/gawd "better". It looks as if they feel it is wrong to criticise any religion (even one they don't take the pains of knowing), because they think all religions must have in their essence something good, that there can be no God or great teacher who can demand and command the cruellest things from its earthly followers. But jeebusjehovallah+mohammed combine is exactly such an ideological centre, the sort of terrorist centre that Dharmics had never previously encountered nor imagined existed.
But scholarship was not all that was wanting. A deep reading of the koran and babble is not *sufficient* to convince the Dharmics of the evil of the ideology itself, I think. (More is sometimes needed to drive this home, especially for the stubborn Dharmics who insist on automatically thinking well of every religion.) For that, I am convinced one needs to couple the reading of the koran-babble junk with a wider knowledge of how the twin plagues of christianism and islam treated the rest of the world. This second part was not available to the ancient Hindus, though they would at least have heard horrors of how it treated their own brethren in other parts of Bharatam.
However, we have fewer excuses now, as Dharmics of our time can actually know the terrorist ideology better: there is enough data available to us in books and web pages on how christoislamism had overrun the world in history and continues to do so now - sowing only discord and destruction wherever it lands - to prove that the gruesome theory of the koran-babble is *always* put into gory effect by the infected zombies "converts".