Just to make it clear on what I did and didn't do:
<!--QuoteBegin-Swamy G+Jan 6 2009, 01:05 AM-->QUOTE(Swamy G @ Jan 6 2009, 01:05 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I also agree that Jainas monks instigated a lot of this.[right][snapback]92725[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Then you must be agreeing with either Elst, Goel or the Shaiva account, because I did not proffer any views on this to be agreed or disagreed with.
1. When I said in post 101: "can't you tell the whole thing",
I meant that you can't just start in the middle of the Shaiva account with the 8000 Jainas being impaled, because the Shaivas had more to say on what led to that event.
2. Then in my #107, I said there seemed to be only <i>one</i> account of both these events (of the Hindu-Jaina inter-aggression in Pandyan TN). That 1 account is of course not favourable to either side (Jainas or Hindus) - neither are looking their prettiest there/not their characteristic selves.
But veracity is another matter, and I have no interest in discussing it.
3. Finally, #107 and end of #101 was mainly about how there can be no mention of islamism in any situation where inter-Dharmic strife (or strife between any two Natural Traditions) is considered, because islamism=an <i>ideology of terrorism</i> and thus is a universe removed from any occasional aberrations Dharmic/Natural Traditionalist communities may throw up.
Inter-Dharmic enmity is not the goal of Dharmic traditions (nothing in there goading any of them to persecute-and-convert other traditions), whereas islam's "salvation" itself (of 72 houris) is <i>promised in return for</i> the destruction/conversion of the kaffirs. Jihad is their prime directive, just as the conversion-or-destruction of the unbelievers/followers of other Gods is in christianism.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And it is really not a pseduo-secular group either.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Cool, sounds good.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swamy G+Jan 6 2009, 01:05 AM-->QUOTE(Swamy G @ Jan 6 2009, 01:05 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I also agree that Jainas monks instigated a lot of this.[right][snapback]92725[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Then you must be agreeing with either Elst, Goel or the Shaiva account, because I did not proffer any views on this to be agreed or disagreed with.
1. When I said in post 101: "can't you tell the whole thing",
I meant that you can't just start in the middle of the Shaiva account with the 8000 Jainas being impaled, because the Shaivas had more to say on what led to that event.
2. Then in my #107, I said there seemed to be only <i>one</i> account of both these events (of the Hindu-Jaina inter-aggression in Pandyan TN). That 1 account is of course not favourable to either side (Jainas or Hindus) - neither are looking their prettiest there/not their characteristic selves.
But veracity is another matter, and I have no interest in discussing it.
3. Finally, #107 and end of #101 was mainly about how there can be no mention of islamism in any situation where inter-Dharmic strife (or strife between any two Natural Traditions) is considered, because islamism=an <i>ideology of terrorism</i> and thus is a universe removed from any occasional aberrations Dharmic/Natural Traditionalist communities may throw up.
Inter-Dharmic enmity is not the goal of Dharmic traditions (nothing in there goading any of them to persecute-and-convert other traditions), whereas islam's "salvation" itself (of 72 houris) is <i>promised in return for</i> the destruction/conversion of the kaffirs. Jihad is their prime directive, just as the conversion-or-destruction of the unbelievers/followers of other Gods is in christianism.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And it is really not a pseduo-secular group either.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Cool, sounds good.