<!--QuoteBegin-Savithri+Jan 18 2009, 07:23 AM-->QUOTE(Savithri @ Jan 18 2009, 07:23 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->All Dr. Subramanian Swamy is saying is: "If Hindu culture is our defining identity then how can we co-opt non-Hindus, especially Muslims and Christians? By persuading them by saam, dhaan, bheda and dand that they acknowledge with pride the truth that their ancestors are Hindus. If they do, it means that they accept Hindu culture and enlightened mores. That is, change of religion does not mean change of culture. Then we should treat such Muslims and Christians as part of our Brihad Hindu family."
He did not rule out our option in the event some or any number of the Muslims or Christians refusing our offer.Â
This offer is part of the saama, dhaana, bhEdha and Dhanda.
[right][snapback]93366[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hindu/Dharmic culture does not exist divorced from Dharmic religion. That is, all Natural Traditionalist cultures are by definition religio-culture. The outside world ignorant of a region's Natural Tradition perceives a stand-alone phenomenon ('culture'), but even so all culture was generated as a consequence of the religion of that region (natural tradition).
Hence sari, bindi, veshti, mookuthi and other Hindu gear, Bharatanatyam and other traditional Hindu dances, Yoga, Hindu foods, Carnatic and other traditional Hindu music, Hindu sculpting and other arts, our Shlokas, rites like naming ceremonies and festivals like Pongal, our languages from Samskritam to Tamizh, Hindu temple construction - <i>none</i> of these have <i>anything</i> to do with christoislamism. Nor ever will.
They belong solely to our Natural Tradition. That's because these things - which are called Hindu/Dharmic 'culture' here - are all <i>religious</i> in origin. They derive from the Dharmic tradition, they could never have come into being without our Dharmic tradition. And christoislamism could never have created any of this culture. (Christoislamism, which has mock-culture and appropriated cultural artefacts, isn't generative: this is why it can only steal real culture - be it from the Greco-Romans, or from us or others.)
The term 'culture' when applied to our case - as also when it's applied to other Natural Traditionalists like Shinto and Hellenismos - is only the christo-western word for the same meaning: Hindu/Dharmic religion (or whatever Natural Tradition was being considered).
That is, the word 'culture' in the Indian context is the christo tactic of trying to first split our religion into "form" and "essence", in the hopes that they can then try to steal the Form for themselves (to glue it to their dead, ugly, destructive, evil ideology in order to make it seem a live, creative religion instead), even as they negate, slander and try to murder the Essence (what pertains to our Gods, our sacred teachings/Dharma). But in Natural Traditions, the Form has sprung from the Essence and has no meaning outside of it, no purpose. The two are inseparable.
Christoislamis have no claim on any of Hindu/Dharmic culture. Sure, they try to inculturate (=steal) to make up for their lack of culture, but such action on their behalf will remain no more than theft. And still no part of our religio-culture will ever be theirs. It has nothing to do with christoislamism. <b>Not until the subcontinent's christians and muslims reconvert to Hindu/Dharmic religions can they legimitately take on and make claims to the Hindu/Dharmic culture</b>. If they do reconvert, it automatically belongs to them. But <i>never</i> otherwise.
Hindus should not make allowances on this. In fact, they cannot. The Dharmic religio-culture is one thing, it cannot be separated into religion and culture.
1. Hindus who think that Hindu culture is something that can be sold without acceptance of the Dharmic tradition itself in which this culture was born and lives, are a) mistaken and b) allowing for appropriation and inculturation = theft, and providing apologetics for it.
2. Hindu/Dharmic culture is not to be confused with the nationalism that Hindus naively expect in vain from christoislamis. Nationalism of an inconvertible nation - if christoislamism might ever be capable of nationalism on such terms - is something that <i>can</i> be shared. It merely requires respect for the nation and its laws on the part of the subject. It does not involve assimilation. Moreover, there <i>can</i> be no assimilation into or of Hindu 'culture' (any Natural Traditionalist culture) without simultaneously being part of the Hindu Dharma/Natural Tradition that's inextricably linked to the same.
3. A Dharmic only has a right to carry on his religio-culture, <i>not</i> the right to hand over/'share' the 'culture side' of it with anti-Dharmics=christoislamis (by pretending there's a 'Form' - the perceived cultural aspects - that can be divorced from some 'Essence' of what is actually a single indivisible unit: the religio-culture).
If any follower of a terrorist ideology wants to partake in any Hindu or other Natural Traditionalist 'culture', let them first rejoin their Natural Tradition. After all, it had not abandoned them, it is they who had abandoned it. And it is they who continue to choose to remain segregated from it. If they will own to all of it, it is theirs. But they cannot choose to own to part of it: it is not to be had in parts.
He did not rule out our option in the event some or any number of the Muslims or Christians refusing our offer.Â
This offer is part of the saama, dhaana, bhEdha and Dhanda.
[right][snapback]93366[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hindu/Dharmic culture does not exist divorced from Dharmic religion. That is, all Natural Traditionalist cultures are by definition religio-culture. The outside world ignorant of a region's Natural Tradition perceives a stand-alone phenomenon ('culture'), but even so all culture was generated as a consequence of the religion of that region (natural tradition).
Hence sari, bindi, veshti, mookuthi and other Hindu gear, Bharatanatyam and other traditional Hindu dances, Yoga, Hindu foods, Carnatic and other traditional Hindu music, Hindu sculpting and other arts, our Shlokas, rites like naming ceremonies and festivals like Pongal, our languages from Samskritam to Tamizh, Hindu temple construction - <i>none</i> of these have <i>anything</i> to do with christoislamism. Nor ever will.
They belong solely to our Natural Tradition. That's because these things - which are called Hindu/Dharmic 'culture' here - are all <i>religious</i> in origin. They derive from the Dharmic tradition, they could never have come into being without our Dharmic tradition. And christoislamism could never have created any of this culture. (Christoislamism, which has mock-culture and appropriated cultural artefacts, isn't generative: this is why it can only steal real culture - be it from the Greco-Romans, or from us or others.)
The term 'culture' when applied to our case - as also when it's applied to other Natural Traditionalists like Shinto and Hellenismos - is only the christo-western word for the same meaning: Hindu/Dharmic religion (or whatever Natural Tradition was being considered).
That is, the word 'culture' in the Indian context is the christo tactic of trying to first split our religion into "form" and "essence", in the hopes that they can then try to steal the Form for themselves (to glue it to their dead, ugly, destructive, evil ideology in order to make it seem a live, creative religion instead), even as they negate, slander and try to murder the Essence (what pertains to our Gods, our sacred teachings/Dharma). But in Natural Traditions, the Form has sprung from the Essence and has no meaning outside of it, no purpose. The two are inseparable.
Christoislamis have no claim on any of Hindu/Dharmic culture. Sure, they try to inculturate (=steal) to make up for their lack of culture, but such action on their behalf will remain no more than theft. And still no part of our religio-culture will ever be theirs. It has nothing to do with christoislamism. <b>Not until the subcontinent's christians and muslims reconvert to Hindu/Dharmic religions can they legimitately take on and make claims to the Hindu/Dharmic culture</b>. If they do reconvert, it automatically belongs to them. But <i>never</i> otherwise.
Hindus should not make allowances on this. In fact, they cannot. The Dharmic religio-culture is one thing, it cannot be separated into religion and culture.
1. Hindus who think that Hindu culture is something that can be sold without acceptance of the Dharmic tradition itself in which this culture was born and lives, are a) mistaken and b) allowing for appropriation and inculturation = theft, and providing apologetics for it.
2. Hindu/Dharmic culture is not to be confused with the nationalism that Hindus naively expect in vain from christoislamis. Nationalism of an inconvertible nation - if christoislamism might ever be capable of nationalism on such terms - is something that <i>can</i> be shared. It merely requires respect for the nation and its laws on the part of the subject. It does not involve assimilation. Moreover, there <i>can</i> be no assimilation into or of Hindu 'culture' (any Natural Traditionalist culture) without simultaneously being part of the Hindu Dharma/Natural Tradition that's inextricably linked to the same.
3. A Dharmic only has a right to carry on his religio-culture, <i>not</i> the right to hand over/'share' the 'culture side' of it with anti-Dharmics=christoislamis (by pretending there's a 'Form' - the perceived cultural aspects - that can be divorced from some 'Essence' of what is actually a single indivisible unit: the religio-culture).
If any follower of a terrorist ideology wants to partake in any Hindu or other Natural Traditionalist 'culture', let them first rejoin their Natural Tradition. After all, it had not abandoned them, it is they who had abandoned it. And it is they who continue to choose to remain segregated from it. If they will own to all of it, it is theirs. But they cannot choose to own to part of it: it is not to be had in parts.