Yeah, why not here.
Someone reminded me of this. Felt it was a good time for a refresh. So I searched for "barmaid" and "Constantine" and voila, some old posts:
All the following is a reprise in some way or other.
1.
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Jul 16 2006, 08:28 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Jul 16 2006, 08:28 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Post 179:<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But this ITALIAN mafia QUEEN has read them all.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I was lent an old book written by a very knowledgeable deconverted ex-priest (Catholic) on Rome's first Christian Emperor Constantine. His mother Helena, a Christian, had been a barmaid. The book went on about how she and her muderous son began the destruction of Rome by its Christianisation which was later continued by the succeeding Christian emperors. Until Christianity got imperial power, the religion was powerless and made no converts amongst the higher classes (the best educated), who constantly ridiculed it. It was only the illiterate and ignorant classes that ever adopted Christianity - that is, until they got a Christian in Rome's government. With Emperor Constantine (with his devout ignorant mother at his back) and his successors began increasingly anti-pagan laws and pro-Christian laws. They started off small, but my goodness, how each law got increasingly worse for the loyal Romans, giving more power as it did to the Church and Christianity. It is a footnote in history now, how Rome was converted by force. But for them it was the destruction of their way of life.
Helena is today recognised as a Saint by the Catholic Church. Now Sonya, who some articles have described as a former Italian barmaid, is perhaps hoping to get a Saint's halo for converting heathen India as her predecessor Helena converted heathen Rome. She is certainly in the right position to attempt it. Don't underestimate a Christian (a devout Catholic, loyal to that great powerhouse and war machine, the Vatican) when he/she's in the power seat. Ancient Rome was destroyed because of Christianity.
[right][snapback]53940[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->That "knowledgeable deconverted ex-priest (Catholic)" mentioned above is non other than Joseph McCabe whose name I have since made it a point to remember.
2. In fact, it's better to read McCabe's own words instead of the above vague recollections.
Here:
a. http://freetruth.50webs.org/C1.htm#StHelena
<b>About Santa Helena</b> the *illegitimate* 'wife' of Constantius (as proven by Joseph McCabe who apparently referred to some original authorities, educated Romans, for this info).
Thus spake Joseph McCabe:
- "Constantine was, as I said, the illegitimate son of a rural barmaid and a Roman officer."
The barmaid referred to here is Helena (not to be confused with Sonia just yet).
- "Constantius could not validly marry Helena in Roman law."
b. http://freetruth.50webs.org/Appendix1.htm
Historian Joseph McCabe again on Santa Constantine this time. Christians owe a debt of gratitude to this murderer-guy that ought to far surpass the non-existent jeebus' supposed "dying on the stauros for them" sob myth.
3. Is the "Christian Italian barmaid Helena in power in Rome <-> Christian Italian barmaid Sonia wife in power in India " all just a coincidence?
No. It's an OLD christian tactic that they repeated in China in the 17th century too,
as summarised here by former BBC commentator Avro Manhattan:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/A4c.htm#China
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Converting the ruler in order to convert non-Christian China</b>
"[Captioned image]
    Jesuit astronomers in the court of the Emperor of China and two Chinese converts with crosses, Madonna, and IHS wafer symbol. Jesuit missionaries succeeded in converting a Chinese Empress thus gaining access to high political influence. As the Vatican began expanding this influence, resistance increased eventually creating open rebellion. Some of the European nations became involved by diplomatic pressure, economic measures carried out under the threat of European gun boats off the Chinese coast. The end result was another major Asiatic nation closed to Western influence and missionary activity for hundreds of years.
  Early in the seventeenth century, Jesuits had managed to penetrate the Imperial Court and convert a Chinese Empress to Catholicism. This conversion was a major coup for the Catholic Church in her strategy to impose herself, upon the whole of Buddhist China. Since the Empress was the center of the Imperial Court, the source of Supreme power, she became the pivot round which the Catholic Church planned her exercise of mass conversion."
<b>Chinese Empress renames herself Helena and baptises her son Constantine</b>
"The potential appeared unlimited. The Chinese Empress had become a pliable tool in the hands of the Jesuits, who manipulated her to implant Catholic influence at all levels. Her piety had turned into a personal zeal to serve the Catholic Church in everything. She even changed her Chinese name into that of the Empress Helena after the Roman Empress, mother of Constantine, who had given freedom to Christianity in the Roman Empire. Indeed, not content with that, she baptized her son with the name of Constantine to indicate the role which the boy was intended to play in the future conversion of Buddhist China for the Catholic Church."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->By the way, if people are under the misapprehension that Opus Dei is some imaginary group ("conspiracy"), then they've got it all wrong. The catholic Opus Dei are like the modern day Jesuits: infiltrators, political plotters. They are *cryptos* - used to hide their christians actions. They conceal it under psecular garb in India, Nepal and Sri Lanka (often using Dharmic names, external symbols, etcetera.)
Like the famous Jesuit tactic (used by the Jesuits in China, Japan, Thailand and Vietnam in the 16th-17th centuries), the Opus Dei's method is a top-down conversion approach as well: convert the rulers/install converts in power. Buy the media, own the education centres, set up social activists, organisations, attack sacred religious centres, and the rest. All to slowly close in on the Dharmic population. It's not just the evanjehadis who do all this, you know. It's the catholics who are the best at it: because no one these days points to "catholicism" in these things. That's because cryptos almost always tend to be catholics.
4. And another old post.
Some examples of
<b>The psecularism and hence minority appeasement in ancient Rome</b> - Breeding ground for the cretinous cancer.
So the Romans had been duped into minority appeasement of christoterrorism too.
In fact, *India's* case is the copy, and it isn't coincidence. As every non-psecular knows, there's very human, very <i>christian</i> hands behind all this.
They say "Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
Christianism and its zombies in India and elsewhere are doing their best to make sure Hindus <i>never</i> learn history. One of the methods used is to create conditioned (psecularised) Hindus who are <i>incapable</i> of learning it, because they are made incapable of seeing what is plainly obvious, and incapable of articulating the phrase "christianism did it" even though christianism DID do it.
Christianism murdered the Natural Traditionalist (Hellenic) civilisation of the Greco-Romans.
"Murdered"? I meant to say <i>genocided</i>: Christianism genocided the Hellenic civilisation.
5. But why believe me?
Here's HH's old post on India and its own Santa Helena in the form of Santa Sonia:
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+Jul 22 2006, 11:50 AM-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha @ Jul 22 2006, 11:50 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->For some other venue:
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Is the geographical nation of the Hindus safe? Nay is the nation of Hindus itself safe? This is a topic I did not really want to write about but the flurry of chats have almost forced to repeat myself on the issue. Firstly, an important point that Sitaram Goel and Ram Swarup brought to the fore should be remembered here: Hindus are by definition a nation. It is the sanAtana dharma that gives them their nationhood. The geography that they occupy is secondary to the role of the sanAtana dharma. The geography of India is important today because it constitutes the natural habitat of the Hindus.
However, this habitat of the Hindus has been historically attacked by the two violent monotheisms and its safety is compromised. The freedom from the British reign did not result in a freedom from the Hindu mind. Sadly rather than re-establishing a state under the natural principles of sanAtana dharma, fooled by the West the founders of the new Indian empire established a secular state. The result of this secular state is a further defanging of the Hindus. Secularism has eroded Hindu traditions that are the only scaffold of India- if we wanted a secular state we did not require freedom from the British. We could have happily continued under the secular rule of a Western powers, after all England and the rest of Europe were secularizing. We needed freedom only to have a state under dharma not under secularism. But now secularism has had an even more threatening aspect: It denuded the spirit of dharma amongst the Hindus and replaced it with crap in the form puerile Hindi cinema, blind imitation o the West like the proverbial jackal with a blue hide in viShNusharman's tale, decadence of brahminical social leadership, and atheism a direct consequence of secularism. In contrast it embolded the two monotheists to act with impunity funded respectively by their Western evangelist and Middle Eastern Ghazi masters.
As a result there are two serious attacks on the very existence of Hindus: One destroying its very innards through a insiduous attack on the Hindu plebian now even targeting the holiest Hindu shrines like venkaTAdri:the other open slaying Hindus in a display of the Jihad. Sitaram Goel and Ram Swarup had remarked astutely that for all the carnage the riots after partion on the India side showed the spirit of India was not entirely dead. There are other things we just cannot talk about here, but one thing is clear the recent assault by the Ghazis on the Hindus, nearly 10 centuries after the accursed Mahmud Ghaznavi (may sewers that are perfumes for the Momeen flow on his Mazar), the Hindu spirit does seem dead in India. And, any recently astute observer can note that this is a direct consequence of secularism. Hindus appear to have no say in India, and are blathering secular nothings, while the Imam of leading the congregation of the masses bereft of their foreskins thunders: "We were rulers here for 800 years. Inshaallah, we shall return to power here once again". This in my humble opinion is a serious symptom. Combined with the demographic assault by the Mohammedan, and the secularization of the Hindu elite, I fear we are witnessing the symptoms of the newest loss of Hindu freedom.
Remember the throughout the far east there were Hindus once: Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Malaysia Java, Sumatra and Bali. Now they are only there in the smallest of these territories- Bali. They are gone in Afghanistan, saidhava desha, Central Asia and Roman territories. In light of this the symptoms we are witnessing suggest to me that even residual India may be lost. Some call me paranoid but I believe we could see the fruition of these events even in the near future.
We have two famous parallels in history-- our cultural cousins the Romans and the Iranians. The Romans were a highly pluralistic culture. Every religion of Asia could be practiced in its boundaries with relative freedom. The state did not do much to interfere in religion. They produced brilliant philosopher emperors like Marcos Aurelius, who might have even impressed a sha~Nkara bhagavat pAda, as well as worthless rulers like Severus and others like our own worthless rulers of modern India. Their rich state temples were operated with rites resembling those of the Agamas- abhishekas, prasAdas, dIpa dhUpa and all that, and were economic powerhouses just as Tirupati or Vaishodevi. The Roman political system for that era was reasonably strong, and their army large and tough. Yet, the terrible curse of Isaism over took the king due to a few crucial mishaps. Christian women from the bar in the family of Constantine turned the whole west into a seething cauldron of Isaism. Likewise the barmaid Sonia, marrying the vagrant prince of India could be set to turning India towards a decline.
The Zoroasterians, our linguistic and cultural cousins, were likewise outright destroyed by the other monotheism Mohammedanism through demographic and military means, when their empire blinked and failed to pay attention to the storm that was building in the Arabian desert inside their own empire. We similarly pay no attention to the storm gathering in the little Islamic hell-holes throughout the length and breadth of the country. Both powerful heathen nations are now buried in the sands of history. While we did much better in round one, I do not see a bright future in our natural habitat.
In light of this the reasonably astute Hindus need to install seeds of their nation in safe havens away from their old home that might fall to the predators.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]54308[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->(Though I think Hindus must ensure Bharatam is retained as our homeland. IMO, there will be no safe havens unless we keep our eternal home.)
Someone reminded me of this. Felt it was a good time for a refresh. So I searched for "barmaid" and "Constantine" and voila, some old posts:
All the following is a reprise in some way or other.
1.
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Jul 16 2006, 08:28 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Jul 16 2006, 08:28 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Post 179:<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But this ITALIAN mafia QUEEN has read them all.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I was lent an old book written by a very knowledgeable deconverted ex-priest (Catholic) on Rome's first Christian Emperor Constantine. His mother Helena, a Christian, had been a barmaid. The book went on about how she and her muderous son began the destruction of Rome by its Christianisation which was later continued by the succeeding Christian emperors. Until Christianity got imperial power, the religion was powerless and made no converts amongst the higher classes (the best educated), who constantly ridiculed it. It was only the illiterate and ignorant classes that ever adopted Christianity - that is, until they got a Christian in Rome's government. With Emperor Constantine (with his devout ignorant mother at his back) and his successors began increasingly anti-pagan laws and pro-Christian laws. They started off small, but my goodness, how each law got increasingly worse for the loyal Romans, giving more power as it did to the Church and Christianity. It is a footnote in history now, how Rome was converted by force. But for them it was the destruction of their way of life.
Helena is today recognised as a Saint by the Catholic Church. Now Sonya, who some articles have described as a former Italian barmaid, is perhaps hoping to get a Saint's halo for converting heathen India as her predecessor Helena converted heathen Rome. She is certainly in the right position to attempt it. Don't underestimate a Christian (a devout Catholic, loyal to that great powerhouse and war machine, the Vatican) when he/she's in the power seat. Ancient Rome was destroyed because of Christianity.
[right][snapback]53940[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->That "knowledgeable deconverted ex-priest (Catholic)" mentioned above is non other than Joseph McCabe whose name I have since made it a point to remember.
2. In fact, it's better to read McCabe's own words instead of the above vague recollections.
Here:
a. http://freetruth.50webs.org/C1.htm#StHelena
<b>About Santa Helena</b> the *illegitimate* 'wife' of Constantius (as proven by Joseph McCabe who apparently referred to some original authorities, educated Romans, for this info).
Thus spake Joseph McCabe:
- "Constantine was, as I said, the illegitimate son of a rural barmaid and a Roman officer."
The barmaid referred to here is Helena (not to be confused with Sonia just yet).
- "Constantius could not validly marry Helena in Roman law."
b. http://freetruth.50webs.org/Appendix1.htm
Historian Joseph McCabe again on Santa Constantine this time. Christians owe a debt of gratitude to this murderer-guy that ought to far surpass the non-existent jeebus' supposed "dying on the stauros for them" sob myth.
3. Is the "Christian Italian barmaid Helena in power in Rome <-> Christian Italian barmaid Sonia wife in power in India " all just a coincidence?
No. It's an OLD christian tactic that they repeated in China in the 17th century too,
as summarised here by former BBC commentator Avro Manhattan:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/A4c.htm#China
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Converting the ruler in order to convert non-Christian China</b>
"[Captioned image]
    Jesuit astronomers in the court of the Emperor of China and two Chinese converts with crosses, Madonna, and IHS wafer symbol. Jesuit missionaries succeeded in converting a Chinese Empress thus gaining access to high political influence. As the Vatican began expanding this influence, resistance increased eventually creating open rebellion. Some of the European nations became involved by diplomatic pressure, economic measures carried out under the threat of European gun boats off the Chinese coast. The end result was another major Asiatic nation closed to Western influence and missionary activity for hundreds of years.
  Early in the seventeenth century, Jesuits had managed to penetrate the Imperial Court and convert a Chinese Empress to Catholicism. This conversion was a major coup for the Catholic Church in her strategy to impose herself, upon the whole of Buddhist China. Since the Empress was the center of the Imperial Court, the source of Supreme power, she became the pivot round which the Catholic Church planned her exercise of mass conversion."
<b>Chinese Empress renames herself Helena and baptises her son Constantine</b>
"The potential appeared unlimited. The Chinese Empress had become a pliable tool in the hands of the Jesuits, who manipulated her to implant Catholic influence at all levels. Her piety had turned into a personal zeal to serve the Catholic Church in everything. She even changed her Chinese name into that of the Empress Helena after the Roman Empress, mother of Constantine, who had given freedom to Christianity in the Roman Empire. Indeed, not content with that, she baptized her son with the name of Constantine to indicate the role which the boy was intended to play in the future conversion of Buddhist China for the Catholic Church."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->By the way, if people are under the misapprehension that Opus Dei is some imaginary group ("conspiracy"), then they've got it all wrong. The catholic Opus Dei are like the modern day Jesuits: infiltrators, political plotters. They are *cryptos* - used to hide their christians actions. They conceal it under psecular garb in India, Nepal and Sri Lanka (often using Dharmic names, external symbols, etcetera.)
Like the famous Jesuit tactic (used by the Jesuits in China, Japan, Thailand and Vietnam in the 16th-17th centuries), the Opus Dei's method is a top-down conversion approach as well: convert the rulers/install converts in power. Buy the media, own the education centres, set up social activists, organisations, attack sacred religious centres, and the rest. All to slowly close in on the Dharmic population. It's not just the evanjehadis who do all this, you know. It's the catholics who are the best at it: because no one these days points to "catholicism" in these things. That's because cryptos almost always tend to be catholics.
4. And another old post.
Some examples of
<b>The psecularism and hence minority appeasement in ancient Rome</b> - Breeding ground for the cretinous cancer.
So the Romans had been duped into minority appeasement of christoterrorism too.
In fact, *India's* case is the copy, and it isn't coincidence. As every non-psecular knows, there's very human, very <i>christian</i> hands behind all this.
They say "Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
Christianism and its zombies in India and elsewhere are doing their best to make sure Hindus <i>never</i> learn history. One of the methods used is to create conditioned (psecularised) Hindus who are <i>incapable</i> of learning it, because they are made incapable of seeing what is plainly obvious, and incapable of articulating the phrase "christianism did it" even though christianism DID do it.
Christianism murdered the Natural Traditionalist (Hellenic) civilisation of the Greco-Romans.
"Murdered"? I meant to say <i>genocided</i>: Christianism genocided the Hellenic civilisation.
5. But why believe me?
Here's HH's old post on India and its own Santa Helena in the form of Santa Sonia:
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+Jul 22 2006, 11:50 AM-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha @ Jul 22 2006, 11:50 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->For some other venue:
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Is the geographical nation of the Hindus safe? Nay is the nation of Hindus itself safe? This is a topic I did not really want to write about but the flurry of chats have almost forced to repeat myself on the issue. Firstly, an important point that Sitaram Goel and Ram Swarup brought to the fore should be remembered here: Hindus are by definition a nation. It is the sanAtana dharma that gives them their nationhood. The geography that they occupy is secondary to the role of the sanAtana dharma. The geography of India is important today because it constitutes the natural habitat of the Hindus.
However, this habitat of the Hindus has been historically attacked by the two violent monotheisms and its safety is compromised. The freedom from the British reign did not result in a freedom from the Hindu mind. Sadly rather than re-establishing a state under the natural principles of sanAtana dharma, fooled by the West the founders of the new Indian empire established a secular state. The result of this secular state is a further defanging of the Hindus. Secularism has eroded Hindu traditions that are the only scaffold of India- if we wanted a secular state we did not require freedom from the British. We could have happily continued under the secular rule of a Western powers, after all England and the rest of Europe were secularizing. We needed freedom only to have a state under dharma not under secularism. But now secularism has had an even more threatening aspect: It denuded the spirit of dharma amongst the Hindus and replaced it with crap in the form puerile Hindi cinema, blind imitation o the West like the proverbial jackal with a blue hide in viShNusharman's tale, decadence of brahminical social leadership, and atheism a direct consequence of secularism. In contrast it embolded the two monotheists to act with impunity funded respectively by their Western evangelist and Middle Eastern Ghazi masters.
As a result there are two serious attacks on the very existence of Hindus: One destroying its very innards through a insiduous attack on the Hindu plebian now even targeting the holiest Hindu shrines like venkaTAdri:the other open slaying Hindus in a display of the Jihad. Sitaram Goel and Ram Swarup had remarked astutely that for all the carnage the riots after partion on the India side showed the spirit of India was not entirely dead. There are other things we just cannot talk about here, but one thing is clear the recent assault by the Ghazis on the Hindus, nearly 10 centuries after the accursed Mahmud Ghaznavi (may sewers that are perfumes for the Momeen flow on his Mazar), the Hindu spirit does seem dead in India. And, any recently astute observer can note that this is a direct consequence of secularism. Hindus appear to have no say in India, and are blathering secular nothings, while the Imam of leading the congregation of the masses bereft of their foreskins thunders: "We were rulers here for 800 years. Inshaallah, we shall return to power here once again". This in my humble opinion is a serious symptom. Combined with the demographic assault by the Mohammedan, and the secularization of the Hindu elite, I fear we are witnessing the symptoms of the newest loss of Hindu freedom.
Remember the throughout the far east there were Hindus once: Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Malaysia Java, Sumatra and Bali. Now they are only there in the smallest of these territories- Bali. They are gone in Afghanistan, saidhava desha, Central Asia and Roman territories. In light of this the symptoms we are witnessing suggest to me that even residual India may be lost. Some call me paranoid but I believe we could see the fruition of these events even in the near future.
We have two famous parallels in history-- our cultural cousins the Romans and the Iranians. The Romans were a highly pluralistic culture. Every religion of Asia could be practiced in its boundaries with relative freedom. The state did not do much to interfere in religion. They produced brilliant philosopher emperors like Marcos Aurelius, who might have even impressed a sha~Nkara bhagavat pAda, as well as worthless rulers like Severus and others like our own worthless rulers of modern India. Their rich state temples were operated with rites resembling those of the Agamas- abhishekas, prasAdas, dIpa dhUpa and all that, and were economic powerhouses just as Tirupati or Vaishodevi. The Roman political system for that era was reasonably strong, and their army large and tough. Yet, the terrible curse of Isaism over took the king due to a few crucial mishaps. Christian women from the bar in the family of Constantine turned the whole west into a seething cauldron of Isaism. Likewise the barmaid Sonia, marrying the vagrant prince of India could be set to turning India towards a decline.
The Zoroasterians, our linguistic and cultural cousins, were likewise outright destroyed by the other monotheism Mohammedanism through demographic and military means, when their empire blinked and failed to pay attention to the storm that was building in the Arabian desert inside their own empire. We similarly pay no attention to the storm gathering in the little Islamic hell-holes throughout the length and breadth of the country. Both powerful heathen nations are now buried in the sands of history. While we did much better in round one, I do not see a bright future in our natural habitat.
In light of this the reasonably astute Hindus need to install seeds of their nation in safe havens away from their old home that might fall to the predators.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]54308[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->(Though I think Hindus must ensure Bharatam is retained as our homeland. IMO, there will be no safe havens unless we keep our eternal home.)