02-03-2009, 07:07 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Jan 31 2009, 10:36 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Jan 31 2009, 10:36 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Jan 30 2009, 02:52 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Jan 30 2009, 02:52 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ananthamurthy is a hard core commie like Praful Bidwai
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Isnt he a sarkari Leftist 'intellectual" and gets Govt patronage. I think Bhyrappa tore him to shred some time back. Should post the fact that he isnt unbiased as the ReDiff suggests.
Also are there fualtlines in SP in UP. My line is are all SP supporters mullafied? IOW are Yadavs on SP on the half way path to getting converted?
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The SP has 3 legs
1. muslims , 18% of UP
2. Yadavs, 9% of UP
3. Assorted OBC and MBC castes, not in BJP upper caste pool or BSP dalit pool
80% of muslims vote for SP
In that sense, Muslims are the main block of SP, even exceeding yadavs
In addition, SP has assorted islamists in other states like in Maharashtra, Assam etc
The RJD of Lalu Yadav is very similar in structure to SP,
the only reason that they have not merged is personal
ambition and hatred between Lalu and Mulayam
Muslim vote banking was started by brahmins of UP
who did not want to accomodate OBCs
Then the OBCs discovered that they could do muslim vote banking more ruthlessly
The SP / RJD has a yadav/OBC head stuck on a muslim body
Sometimes the OBC magnetic pull over-rides the muslim gravitational pull
Example, Kalyan Singh has been aligned with Mulayam from 1999-2004
Also ,Mulayam had Swami Sakshi Maharaj ( an OBC swami,
who is reputed as a 'Bahubali' or strongman )
Sakshi was involved in using his musclemen to demolish the Ayodhya Structure
The 1989 Bhagalpur riots was a retaliatory riot ( as most riots are in India )
led by Kameshwar Yadav. Lalu never arrested Kameshwar,
whereas the stupid Nitish kumar arrested Kameshwar
In other cases, yadavs have been sacrificed to keep muslims happy
For example, in Bihar, Mohd Shahabuddin, a gangster, killed many yadavs during Lalu
raj, and Lalu kept quiet
Also during Mau riots, Mulayam sided with muslims against yadavs
However, both Mulayam and Lalu do real-politik
In private life, they are devout hindu vegetarians and hanuman bhakts
Hindu religion has failed in making its followers carry forward their
private beliefs into public sphere
In their houses, they will never invite a muslim for dinner
They will likely do an honor killing if a muslim elopes with their daughter
They are temperorily pro-muslim for business reasons
They are not psec like the foolish upper castes
You will never find an Advani among them ( who attended the nikah
of his niece to a muslim ) or like Aunty Sheila Dixit ( who has a muslim son-in-law )
Unlike the commies, they are not beef-eaters
I believe that the sangh parivar can reach out to the Yadav caste and Paswan caste
to undercut Mulayam and Lalu
My personal favorite is sending yadav women on muslim darshan yatras to
the nearest ghetto to show them the danger of vote banking
K.S.Lal has a book on who converted, and Yadavs almost never converted
The other angle to consider
is that as the Yadavs get richer, they get more sanskritised and
in the quest for status, at some point they will have to dump their muslim
temperory allies
In many cases they are similar to Gowdas who are at home very religious
The yadavs think that they can control their muslim vote bank
and get rich in the process
They have to be made to realise that muslim vote bank is uncontrollable,
like riding a tiger
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Isnt he a sarkari Leftist 'intellectual" and gets Govt patronage. I think Bhyrappa tore him to shred some time back. Should post the fact that he isnt unbiased as the ReDiff suggests.
Also are there fualtlines in SP in UP. My line is are all SP supporters mullafied? IOW are Yadavs on SP on the half way path to getting converted?
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The SP has 3 legs
1. muslims , 18% of UP
2. Yadavs, 9% of UP
3. Assorted OBC and MBC castes, not in BJP upper caste pool or BSP dalit pool
80% of muslims vote for SP
In that sense, Muslims are the main block of SP, even exceeding yadavs
In addition, SP has assorted islamists in other states like in Maharashtra, Assam etc
The RJD of Lalu Yadav is very similar in structure to SP,
the only reason that they have not merged is personal
ambition and hatred between Lalu and Mulayam
Muslim vote banking was started by brahmins of UP
who did not want to accomodate OBCs
Then the OBCs discovered that they could do muslim vote banking more ruthlessly
The SP / RJD has a yadav/OBC head stuck on a muslim body
Sometimes the OBC magnetic pull over-rides the muslim gravitational pull
Example, Kalyan Singh has been aligned with Mulayam from 1999-2004
Also ,Mulayam had Swami Sakshi Maharaj ( an OBC swami,
who is reputed as a 'Bahubali' or strongman )
Sakshi was involved in using his musclemen to demolish the Ayodhya Structure
The 1989 Bhagalpur riots was a retaliatory riot ( as most riots are in India )
led by Kameshwar Yadav. Lalu never arrested Kameshwar,
whereas the stupid Nitish kumar arrested Kameshwar
In other cases, yadavs have been sacrificed to keep muslims happy
For example, in Bihar, Mohd Shahabuddin, a gangster, killed many yadavs during Lalu
raj, and Lalu kept quiet
Also during Mau riots, Mulayam sided with muslims against yadavs
However, both Mulayam and Lalu do real-politik
In private life, they are devout hindu vegetarians and hanuman bhakts
Hindu religion has failed in making its followers carry forward their
private beliefs into public sphere
In their houses, they will never invite a muslim for dinner
They will likely do an honor killing if a muslim elopes with their daughter
They are temperorily pro-muslim for business reasons
They are not psec like the foolish upper castes
You will never find an Advani among them ( who attended the nikah
of his niece to a muslim ) or like Aunty Sheila Dixit ( who has a muslim son-in-law )
Unlike the commies, they are not beef-eaters
I believe that the sangh parivar can reach out to the Yadav caste and Paswan caste
to undercut Mulayam and Lalu
My personal favorite is sending yadav women on muslim darshan yatras to
the nearest ghetto to show them the danger of vote banking
K.S.Lal has a book on who converted, and Yadavs almost never converted
The other angle to consider
is that as the Yadavs get richer, they get more sanskritised and
in the quest for status, at some point they will have to dump their muslim
temperory allies
In many cases they are similar to Gowdas who are at home very religious
The yadavs think that they can control their muslim vote bank
and get rich in the process
They have to be made to realise that muslim vote bank is uncontrollable,
like riding a tiger