02-05-2009, 11:02 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Feb 5 2009, 03:36 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Feb 5 2009, 03:36 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->^ Bodhi's encouraging posts
<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Feb 4 2009, 07:54 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shambhu @ Feb 4 2009, 07:54 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Pushing articles that are 95% correct is far better than waiting for a 100% correct article,[right][snapback]94253[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->But it got the most fundamental thing (something not to be measured in percentages) all skewed. After which I really don't see the point of it.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->No one was proved to be a Hindu "terrorist". That can be added as a footnote.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->You and I have very different, irreconcilable views: what is of paramount importance to me is perceived by you to be of only 5% value - no more than a footnote, in fact.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->However, <i>apart from that,</i> the article adds so much to the average Hindu's knowledge in India.
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If you want to propagate a movement, skip the urge to be perfect!
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Time to sit back and examine things will come mach later, right now just increase your audience! <!--emo&
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<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Perfect? Expecting people to keep to no more than known facts is to ask for perfection? I don't want to know your definition of mediocrity then.
Propagating a movement? And what 'audience'? You speak as if all this is no more than a game to you. Innocent people have been tortured for no reason other than sadism and their reputations trampled upon with premeditation, yet their innocence itself appears but a bartering tool for you: if selling their case out in the short term will help you sell more of the ideas you approve of, then it's okay?
I don't know what value your ideas could possibly have when you are unable to see the value of what you're willing to sacrifice in order to 'propagate' them.
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You think the important point was malegaon (which, agreed, he got wrong)
I think the important point was not malegaon, it was the rest of the article. The average hindu know *squat* about islamic brutality etc. No perspective at all. No idea of the numbers on Godhra even. I think any article which sets the record straight on these deserves propagation, especially an article by non-RSS/VHP sources, which has much more creadibility in psec eyes.
The average Hindu knows nothing about the torture and slaughter of innocents by the million. at the hands of the islamists. THey can make up their own minds on present-day events; news about them keeps coming out by the day.
But news about ancient events does not come out.
Gautier has this about the "Hindu terror". He does not use the words, but he says this:
Twenty-five years later, the word 'Hindu Talibanisation' is being heard amidst the clamour following the odious pub episode in Mangalore.
((Anyone can make out that Gautier is against the word "Hindu Taliban". And the "pub episode" was "odious"))
How else could India specialists like Christophe Jaffrelot peddle to his gullible French readers the spurious theory that there is a "Hindu tradition of terror"?
((Note the words spurious thoery))
But what better way to please her than by equating Hindu fundamentalism with the Muslim one and to turn the flak on to small Hindu outfits which are amateur lambs compared to the Islamic ones?
((I don't see a problem here))
But when a few Hindus plan to establish a Hindu rashtra and plot a clumsy, small-scale revenge, they are equated with deadly fundamentalists
((Many Hindu sites say they want to establish a Hindu Rashtra. Bal Thackeray has said he would like to see Hindu suicide squads. The "plotting a clumsy, small-scale revenge" is where Gautier is wrong, but facts on that will come out and the people can make up their own minds on the guilt of these Hindus. At the worst, they label them as plotters etc., but they know from the rest of the aticle many things they did not know. Not a bad trade-off at all. You think in terms of ideals, I think in therm of practicality. That is the irreconciliable difference. My heart bleeds for Purohit too, but I have been doing this psec enlightement thing for too long to be stopped from propagating articles that only hint at some "clumsy plot")).
My "audience" is psecs, as I have already said earlier.
My "movement" is to educate psecs. In the real world.
You say "this is is no more than a game to you".
Yeah, I have spent 15 years of my life on that "game". I have seen results this "game" produce results in Pakistan, when I was on BRF. I have talked to their press through this "game". I have seen people sort themselves out and become decent human beings. I will never stop pushing articles that enlighten psecs about India, unless those articles commit a major mistake, like propagation of the AIT etc. I will get my results, I will know when to expect results, I will understand the pace of the spread of truth, and I will not wait for every worthwhile writer to be 100% up on everything. I want to enlighten psecs, I have seen it happen, I have my ways of doing things, I get results. People who have followed me for a long time know all this, and have seen all this.
<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Feb 4 2009, 07:54 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shambhu @ Feb 4 2009, 07:54 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Pushing articles that are 95% correct is far better than waiting for a 100% correct article,[right][snapback]94253[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->But it got the most fundamental thing (something not to be measured in percentages) all skewed. After which I really don't see the point of it.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->No one was proved to be a Hindu "terrorist". That can be added as a footnote.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->You and I have very different, irreconcilable views: what is of paramount importance to me is perceived by you to be of only 5% value - no more than a footnote, in fact.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->However, <i>apart from that,</i> the article adds so much to the average Hindu's knowledge in India.
[...]
If you want to propagate a movement, skip the urge to be perfect!
[...]
Time to sit back and examine things will come mach later, right now just increase your audience! <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Perfect? Expecting people to keep to no more than known facts is to ask for perfection? I don't want to know your definition of mediocrity then.
Propagating a movement? And what 'audience'? You speak as if all this is no more than a game to you. Innocent people have been tortured for no reason other than sadism and their reputations trampled upon with premeditation, yet their innocence itself appears but a bartering tool for you: if selling their case out in the short term will help you sell more of the ideas you approve of, then it's okay?
I don't know what value your ideas could possibly have when you are unable to see the value of what you're willing to sacrifice in order to 'propagate' them.
[right][snapback]94286[/snapback][/right]
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You think the important point was malegaon (which, agreed, he got wrong)
I think the important point was not malegaon, it was the rest of the article. The average hindu know *squat* about islamic brutality etc. No perspective at all. No idea of the numbers on Godhra even. I think any article which sets the record straight on these deserves propagation, especially an article by non-RSS/VHP sources, which has much more creadibility in psec eyes.
The average Hindu knows nothing about the torture and slaughter of innocents by the million. at the hands of the islamists. THey can make up their own minds on present-day events; news about them keeps coming out by the day.
But news about ancient events does not come out.
Gautier has this about the "Hindu terror". He does not use the words, but he says this:
Twenty-five years later, the word 'Hindu Talibanisation' is being heard amidst the clamour following the odious pub episode in Mangalore.
((Anyone can make out that Gautier is against the word "Hindu Taliban". And the "pub episode" was "odious"))
How else could India specialists like Christophe Jaffrelot peddle to his gullible French readers the spurious theory that there is a "Hindu tradition of terror"?
((Note the words spurious thoery))
But what better way to please her than by equating Hindu fundamentalism with the Muslim one and to turn the flak on to small Hindu outfits which are amateur lambs compared to the Islamic ones?
((I don't see a problem here))
But when a few Hindus plan to establish a Hindu rashtra and plot a clumsy, small-scale revenge, they are equated with deadly fundamentalists
((Many Hindu sites say they want to establish a Hindu Rashtra. Bal Thackeray has said he would like to see Hindu suicide squads. The "plotting a clumsy, small-scale revenge" is where Gautier is wrong, but facts on that will come out and the people can make up their own minds on the guilt of these Hindus. At the worst, they label them as plotters etc., but they know from the rest of the aticle many things they did not know. Not a bad trade-off at all. You think in terms of ideals, I think in therm of practicality. That is the irreconciliable difference. My heart bleeds for Purohit too, but I have been doing this psec enlightement thing for too long to be stopped from propagating articles that only hint at some "clumsy plot")).
My "audience" is psecs, as I have already said earlier.
My "movement" is to educate psecs. In the real world.
You say "this is is no more than a game to you".
Yeah, I have spent 15 years of my life on that "game". I have seen results this "game" produce results in Pakistan, when I was on BRF. I have talked to their press through this "game". I have seen people sort themselves out and become decent human beings. I will never stop pushing articles that enlighten psecs about India, unless those articles commit a major mistake, like propagation of the AIT etc. I will get my results, I will know when to expect results, I will understand the pace of the spread of truth, and I will not wait for every worthwhile writer to be 100% up on everything. I want to enlighten psecs, I have seen it happen, I have my ways of doing things, I get results. People who have followed me for a long time know all this, and have seen all this.