02-07-2009, 07:59 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Feb 2 2009, 10:58 AM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Feb 2 2009, 10:58 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->HareKrishna:
Haribol. I have been going to Iskcon weekly house and temple meets for over a year now. It is a genuine path, scripturally supported, and the devotees have a great sense of brotherhood amongst themselves as well as a genuine sense of devotion to Krishna, who is scripturally supported as the Supreme Bhagawan.
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Like it or not islam/chr somehow win the battle in show themselfs as the moral base despite their past(and present).I wonder if iskoneites will change their view when will face the intolerance of christian/muslims ,already started in some places like in Kazahstan.But Prabhupad is authoritative and if he speak positively about Christ no wonder that iskonites in general have the same view.In fact most of hindu gurus who travel in USA and co. share this positive view of this 2 religios regardless of their hindu afiliation(yoga,jain,vaishnav,shaiva,tantra).It could be brahmo samaj,bahai,Cao Dai,teosophic,new age influence all wich see Jesus and Mohamed as gurus.
Problems whit shaivas?
It could be that some iskonites influence by christianity could see Shiva as hindu equivalent of christian Satan.But this is a clear misunderstanding.First of all Shiva is a God,an infinite expansion of Krishna;Is the part of God which iskonites see as being in contact whit the negative part of the material world(God doing the dirty job),while Vishnu is seen as God in contact whit the positive part of the material world.Shiva is easy to anger but also easy the please so demons and fakirs pray especialy to Shiva.But Shiva is the best devotee of Vishnu and a very big ofence is to insult a devotee of God.Thoose who insult Shiva are doing a great mistake.For shaivas is diferent.Their see Shiva as supreme God and Vishnu as one of his devotees.Kind of reverse situation.However i dont see the vaishnavas and shaivas will go beyonde healthy debates whit logical arguments and start burning at the stick shaiva heretics or beheading the vaishnava infidels.The worshipers of Shiva will go on Shiva-loka which is not a bad thing at all.
However iskonites have a double standard,they use the hindu standard for other hindu branches(the traditional view) yet for non-indians religions(especialy dominant ones like islam-chr) they use a kind of new age standard.
Seems that converts to hinduism become somewhat soft ,pasive ,unwilling to fight for dharma and against adharma as stipulated in Gita.Influence of ghandism probably.
Is hard to call yourself hindu because hinduism is like hellenism.What is hellenism? is the gnosticism?mistery cult?cult of olimpian gods?ancestor worship?imperial cult?maniheism?SToicism?platonism?phtyagoreans?alchimism?heros cult?serapism?mithraism? all this have doctrinal diferences betwin them.
But may be is a good thing after all that a personalist brach of hinduism is there,christians preachers especialy present hinduism as cold,nihilistic,impersonal,solitary,inactiv;while them are positive,activist,warm,loving etc.And majority of people prefer a positive aproach to religion.As hinduism as presented cant offer this..the rabbit from the hat....,christians are the only personalists in the world only ones engaged in an eternal activity of fun and worship in Presence of a personal God.I kow people that renunce to hinduism because of this fact-that they see it as a solitary,impersonal and nihilistic religion and convert to christianity.
Haribol. I have been going to Iskcon weekly house and temple meets for over a year now. It is a genuine path, scripturally supported, and the devotees have a great sense of brotherhood amongst themselves as well as a genuine sense of devotion to Krishna, who is scripturally supported as the Supreme Bhagawan.
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Like it or not islam/chr somehow win the battle in show themselfs as the moral base despite their past(and present).I wonder if iskoneites will change their view when will face the intolerance of christian/muslims ,already started in some places like in Kazahstan.But Prabhupad is authoritative and if he speak positively about Christ no wonder that iskonites in general have the same view.In fact most of hindu gurus who travel in USA and co. share this positive view of this 2 religios regardless of their hindu afiliation(yoga,jain,vaishnav,shaiva,tantra).It could be brahmo samaj,bahai,Cao Dai,teosophic,new age influence all wich see Jesus and Mohamed as gurus.
Problems whit shaivas?
It could be that some iskonites influence by christianity could see Shiva as hindu equivalent of christian Satan.But this is a clear misunderstanding.First of all Shiva is a God,an infinite expansion of Krishna;Is the part of God which iskonites see as being in contact whit the negative part of the material world(God doing the dirty job),while Vishnu is seen as God in contact whit the positive part of the material world.Shiva is easy to anger but also easy the please so demons and fakirs pray especialy to Shiva.But Shiva is the best devotee of Vishnu and a very big ofence is to insult a devotee of God.Thoose who insult Shiva are doing a great mistake.For shaivas is diferent.Their see Shiva as supreme God and Vishnu as one of his devotees.Kind of reverse situation.However i dont see the vaishnavas and shaivas will go beyonde healthy debates whit logical arguments and start burning at the stick shaiva heretics or beheading the vaishnava infidels.The worshipers of Shiva will go on Shiva-loka which is not a bad thing at all.
However iskonites have a double standard,they use the hindu standard for other hindu branches(the traditional view) yet for non-indians religions(especialy dominant ones like islam-chr) they use a kind of new age standard.
Seems that converts to hinduism become somewhat soft ,pasive ,unwilling to fight for dharma and against adharma as stipulated in Gita.Influence of ghandism probably.
Is hard to call yourself hindu because hinduism is like hellenism.What is hellenism? is the gnosticism?mistery cult?cult of olimpian gods?ancestor worship?imperial cult?maniheism?SToicism?platonism?phtyagoreans?alchimism?heros cult?serapism?mithraism? all this have doctrinal diferences betwin them.
But may be is a good thing after all that a personalist brach of hinduism is there,christians preachers especialy present hinduism as cold,nihilistic,impersonal,solitary,inactiv;while them are positive,activist,warm,loving etc.And majority of people prefer a positive aproach to religion.As hinduism as presented cant offer this..the rabbit from the hat....,christians are the only personalists in the world only ones engaged in an eternal activity of fun and worship in Presence of a personal God.I kow people that renunce to hinduism because of this fact-that they see it as a solitary,impersonal and nihilistic religion and convert to christianity.