<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Feb 5 2009, 11:02 PM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Feb 5 2009, 11:02 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->My "audience" is psecs, as I have already said earlier.
My "movement" is to educate psecs. In the real world.
You say "this is is no more than a game to you".
Yeah, I have spent 15 years of my life on that "game". I have seen results this "game" produce results in Pakistan, when I was on BRF. I have talked to their press through this "game". I have seen people sort themselves out and become decent human beings. I will never stop pushing articles that enlighten psecs about India, unless those articles commit a major mistake, like propagation of the AIT etc. I will get my results, I will know when to expect results, I will understand the pace of the spread of truth, and I will not wait for every worthwhile writer to be 100% up on everything. I want to enlighten psecs, I have seen it happen, I have my ways of doing things, I get results. People who have followed me for a long time know all this, and have seen all this.
[right][snapback]94303[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->At the end of your intended results having had their effect, will these ex-psecs be capable of evaluating what really transpired in the christo-doctored falsity of "Hindu Terror"? And learn to suspect the lying media first whenever the media spins a new fable on "evil Hinduism"? And learn to get to the bottom of these things for themselves in future - as much as they can - and to then try and inform others of the media's lies?
But in the meantime, while waiting for your efforts to take effect, who is doing anything for the innocent Hindus tortured by the christian inquisition? How can it be okay to continue to ignore, even kick (however indirectly), the falsely incarcerated Hindus, when the innocent victims are in such distress - like Swami Amritananda who is so suicidal from the incessant false accusations, slander, corruption of truth and justice, not to mention the christoterrorist torments he suffers, that he just wants to die. This torture - both the physical kind and the unrefuted lies - has reduced him to this. There is no way to get him out of christoterrorist hands, but at least what info Hindus choose to propagate should not add to the burden of the lies he is fighting against, else our actions become part of his (and the others') torment.
Demoralising.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->a 100% correct article, which will never come out, and if it does, it will come out from a RSS mouthpiece (which will repel the target audience--psecs--immediately) <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Every bit of Hindu effort is so compromised: Hindus too afraid to tell the plain truth, merely because worthless others will brand the truth - and those who convey it - as being unsecular or communal or fanatical or something. Truth is never any of these things. It has no colour, no shade, no objective.
But no one can scoff at results. If you really are that effective and if at the end of your process your targets turn into people like you, then I have something for you to turn spare effort to. A request actually. And I would be extremely grateful - and a believer, what's more - if you succeed.
And one other thing. Would still ask that to whoever you send that Gautier article to, you inform them that there is no reason to believe that the Hindus victimised by the christo witch hunt on "Hindu Terror" are remotely guilty. And that rather there are many reasons to indicate that the victims are as innocent as you or I of the crimes they are maligned with.
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About these:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->1. And the "pub episode" was "odious"
2. How else could India specialists like Christophe Jaffrelot peddle to his gullible French readers the spurious theory that there is a "Hindu tradition of terror"?
((Note the words spurious thoery))<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->In the first he is saying that what happened at the pub was odious. He is assuming it happened as the media narrated it: that some Hindu org attacked women. But at the very least the entire thing was suspicious with the media ready to film it before it started. Very much like a setup. If the pub episode had truly involved some Hindu org, it might have been termed odious (in order to condemn it while arguing that it is unrepresentative of Hindus and Hindu Dharma), but I'm not aware that it's been made clear yet what really happened and how guilty Hindus/Hindu orgs are in the whole affair.
In the second statement Gautier is denying the existence of any 'Hindu <i>tradition</i> of terror', but that statement does not say that the recent christo inquisition of Hindus on fictional charges of "Hindu Terror" in itself affords no supporting argument for Jaffrelot. That is, the statement does not make it clear that the "Hindu Terror" fantabulation can not in fact be construed by Jaffrelot/anyone as the first data point to accuse Hindus of terrorism with. Because the terror fiction is not fact either - not yet, <i>in spite</i> of all of ATS' illegal efforts of torture and forced confessions, media lying.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But when a few Hindus plan to establish a Hindu rashtra and plot a clumsy, small-scale revenge, they are equated with deadly fundamentalists<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Here, Gautier is speaking specifically about the Hindus framed with the recent "Hindu Terror" fiction (Purohit, Sadhvi, Swami Amritanand, Upadhyay, Chaturvedi, and the rest). The ATS chargesheet and consequently the media has accused them of trying to commit one or more terrorist attacks and that their motivation in doing this was as a way of establishing a Hindu Rashtra.
Bharatam <i>ought</i> to be a Hindu Rashtra - as it would still have been if the global terrorism of christoislamism had not existed. So aiming for Bharatam to return to its natural state is no crime.
But Hindus require no use of terrorism for accomplishing this: the nation merely needs to stop being psecular and start stating the truth unapologetically at all times that christoislamism=terrorism.
Anyway, the point was that neither the media nor the ATS have given us anything of the slightest yet that tells us the accused were involved with terrorist crimes. The accusers have manufactured confessions of course, but that is nothing.
Gautier is taking for granted that there is any truth to the ATS' and media's christo inquisition of Hindus in the fables of "Hindu Terror".
My "movement" is to educate psecs. In the real world.
You say "this is is no more than a game to you".
Yeah, I have spent 15 years of my life on that "game". I have seen results this "game" produce results in Pakistan, when I was on BRF. I have talked to their press through this "game". I have seen people sort themselves out and become decent human beings. I will never stop pushing articles that enlighten psecs about India, unless those articles commit a major mistake, like propagation of the AIT etc. I will get my results, I will know when to expect results, I will understand the pace of the spread of truth, and I will not wait for every worthwhile writer to be 100% up on everything. I want to enlighten psecs, I have seen it happen, I have my ways of doing things, I get results. People who have followed me for a long time know all this, and have seen all this.
[right][snapback]94303[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->At the end of your intended results having had their effect, will these ex-psecs be capable of evaluating what really transpired in the christo-doctored falsity of "Hindu Terror"? And learn to suspect the lying media first whenever the media spins a new fable on "evil Hinduism"? And learn to get to the bottom of these things for themselves in future - as much as they can - and to then try and inform others of the media's lies?
But in the meantime, while waiting for your efforts to take effect, who is doing anything for the innocent Hindus tortured by the christian inquisition? How can it be okay to continue to ignore, even kick (however indirectly), the falsely incarcerated Hindus, when the innocent victims are in such distress - like Swami Amritananda who is so suicidal from the incessant false accusations, slander, corruption of truth and justice, not to mention the christoterrorist torments he suffers, that he just wants to die. This torture - both the physical kind and the unrefuted lies - has reduced him to this. There is no way to get him out of christoterrorist hands, but at least what info Hindus choose to propagate should not add to the burden of the lies he is fighting against, else our actions become part of his (and the others') torment.
Demoralising.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->a 100% correct article, which will never come out, and if it does, it will come out from a RSS mouthpiece (which will repel the target audience--psecs--immediately) <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Every bit of Hindu effort is so compromised: Hindus too afraid to tell the plain truth, merely because worthless others will brand the truth - and those who convey it - as being unsecular or communal or fanatical or something. Truth is never any of these things. It has no colour, no shade, no objective.
But no one can scoff at results. If you really are that effective and if at the end of your process your targets turn into people like you, then I have something for you to turn spare effort to. A request actually. And I would be extremely grateful - and a believer, what's more - if you succeed.
And one other thing. Would still ask that to whoever you send that Gautier article to, you inform them that there is no reason to believe that the Hindus victimised by the christo witch hunt on "Hindu Terror" are remotely guilty. And that rather there are many reasons to indicate that the victims are as innocent as you or I of the crimes they are maligned with.
<b>ADDED:</b>
About these:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->1. And the "pub episode" was "odious"
2. How else could India specialists like Christophe Jaffrelot peddle to his gullible French readers the spurious theory that there is a "Hindu tradition of terror"?
((Note the words spurious thoery))<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->In the first he is saying that what happened at the pub was odious. He is assuming it happened as the media narrated it: that some Hindu org attacked women. But at the very least the entire thing was suspicious with the media ready to film it before it started. Very much like a setup. If the pub episode had truly involved some Hindu org, it might have been termed odious (in order to condemn it while arguing that it is unrepresentative of Hindus and Hindu Dharma), but I'm not aware that it's been made clear yet what really happened and how guilty Hindus/Hindu orgs are in the whole affair.
In the second statement Gautier is denying the existence of any 'Hindu <i>tradition</i> of terror', but that statement does not say that the recent christo inquisition of Hindus on fictional charges of "Hindu Terror" in itself affords no supporting argument for Jaffrelot. That is, the statement does not make it clear that the "Hindu Terror" fantabulation can not in fact be construed by Jaffrelot/anyone as the first data point to accuse Hindus of terrorism with. Because the terror fiction is not fact either - not yet, <i>in spite</i> of all of ATS' illegal efforts of torture and forced confessions, media lying.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But when a few Hindus plan to establish a Hindu rashtra and plot a clumsy, small-scale revenge, they are equated with deadly fundamentalists<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Here, Gautier is speaking specifically about the Hindus framed with the recent "Hindu Terror" fiction (Purohit, Sadhvi, Swami Amritanand, Upadhyay, Chaturvedi, and the rest). The ATS chargesheet and consequently the media has accused them of trying to commit one or more terrorist attacks and that their motivation in doing this was as a way of establishing a Hindu Rashtra.
Bharatam <i>ought</i> to be a Hindu Rashtra - as it would still have been if the global terrorism of christoislamism had not existed. So aiming for Bharatam to return to its natural state is no crime.
But Hindus require no use of terrorism for accomplishing this: the nation merely needs to stop being psecular and start stating the truth unapologetically at all times that christoislamism=terrorism.
Anyway, the point was that neither the media nor the ATS have given us anything of the slightest yet that tells us the accused were involved with terrorist crimes. The accusers have manufactured confessions of course, but that is nothing.
Gautier is taking for granted that there is any truth to the ATS' and media's christo inquisition of Hindus in the fables of "Hindu Terror".