12-14-2004, 06:11 PM
Friends,
It is clear you have misunderstood me, and I you. If it is okay with you, I shall address all questions over time, regarding my posts and views to clarify and clear the air.
Once again, I am a devout and dedicated Hindu and hate none - and not dravidianist, communalist, JNU, LTTE, tamil supremacist, brahmin basher, seccessionist, etc. No one can be all these at the same time.
I have widely differing views though, which properly explained, you will agree has merit.
Here is a strong one. <!--emo&
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More Impending Disasters
Hindus are divided now; those who think the kanchi arrest is one
nasty conspiracy, and those who dont. Those who dont are
supposed to offer sympathies, platitudes to the great work the
archarya, etc., else be condemned. By this itself, the 'conspiracy
believers' push themselves even further away from the main
body of Hindus. This is what most of the brahmin community is
doing, further alieanating themselves for all to see. They have
gone into a denial mode and cannot believe this is a karmic
payback time, never once thinking that they made mistakes, no
matter how many times we told them. They were just not good at
listening. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Hindus are not in a destructive or self destruct mode, rather
passively progressive. They are allowing outmoded institutions
to wither. There is a near total disconnect between the people of
TN and kanchi mutt. Whether the mutt stays or closes or
relocates to Sringeri would probably make no difference to the
people. There is almost complete indifference towards the mutt.
It does not serve the people nor is a spiritual beacon to them.
Inequity is the main reason. The people resent that and revolt by
being apathetical to orthodoxy and drifting to athiest, leftist and
secularists parties. In a way, the mutt has overstayed their
welcome. These are my reading of the situation in TN. But the
people are religious inspite of supporting athiestic parties. So
there is no need for despair. Witness the popularity of the
charismatic gurus.
In all the opinions presented in the media and forums hardly
one see these events as a karma of the seer,
of the muttt and the sampradaya. They do not see that karma is
'the love of god', necessary to cleanse all of us, and to be
joyously welcomed. Er, except for the people of Tamilnadu. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The rest are disbelievers in the law of karma.
I am surprised that CS didn't have a clue of these impending
events. A horoscope check on JS and VS would have indicated
these trying periods in their lives. Why are the astrologists silent
now? Well maybe not that surprised, as probably CS knew, and
chose to remain silent, as he was 'told' to accept these karmas.
Either that or this is also the demise of Hindu astrology. There
goes one upaveda out the window!
As regards the mutt, let me explain, with trepidation, what I was
hesitant to say earlier, being afraid of upsetting people.
The monks at kanchi mutt have to make a decision as to
whether they still have a guru, and which one would that be, and
as to whether in taking their sannyas diksha they have received
the shaktipat. Only a realised soul, one that has established
himself in the clear white light - satchitananda, and able to see
the central burning sun above his head, would be able to grant
shaktipat to monks, and guide them in their tapas, and convey
the power of the sampradaya thru this process. Such a soul can
leave his body at his choosing in an instant. Such a realised
soul can not fall from grace. The gods, as well as the whole line
of predecessor gurus will not allow it. Unless of course that is
their plan.
I hope it is understood what I am trying to say without being
impolitely explicit.
Monks cannot perform their tapas effectively when there is an air
of suspicion, distrust and a pall of shame surrounding them.
The resident sannyasins are victims of this episode. JS cannot
guide his monks from where he is. VS is too young and
inexperienced. The fact he has not visited his guru tells.
It is this that I am really, really ashamed of! VS is destroying the
guru-disciple relationship, the grandest Hindu tradition, right
before our eyes. He cannot, must not be the successor. We have
to tell JS this.
As I mentioned earlier, monasteries have rules. When a monk
leaves a monastery alone for more than a few days, he is no
longer considered a monk. That was the case in 1987 but CS
overlooked it. Right now, technically, VS is the shankaracharya. I
am not sure of the ascension rules but I think it is automatic.
Perhaps this is why VS does not go and visit JS in Vellore and
take instructions from his guru. JS would be furious by now, I'm
sure. This fact alone indicates there is friction between JS and
VS, and an impending disaster awaiting us.
Whether JS is acquitted or convicted may not matter. Events are
already overtaking. The way I see it, if JS is acquitted, then there
may also be a problem. The group around VS may not allow him
to receive back JS as the succession may have already come to
pass. It may lead to a conflict with litigation and counter suits
deadlocked in the courts and the mutt's funds frozen. If he is
convicted, he will die in jail. Either way it is going to be difficult for
the mutt to carry on. That was my point - shut the mutt down.
Murder trials and appeals, and even litigation between JS and
VS could extend over 6 years, 2010, and JS will be 76 then, his
own predicted life span. We have to endure these years. Even an
eventual acquittal will have no meaning for JS.
I am told that it takes about 5-8 days to breakdown a hardcore
criminal, 3 days for others and just 1 or 2 days for a newbie
criminal. I am told that all they have to do is order a remanded
person to follow him to another room, order him to sit down, or
stand up with 5 other burly cops sitting around, fling a file on the
table or shout at someone on the cellphone. That is enough to
breakdown a person and obtain a confession. The question as
to whether to release a detainee for lack of evidence can be
decided in 3 days. It has been
a month now.
Moreover I am told that in high profile cases usually the police
obtain a confession or witness before making an arrest. They
will not risk anything less. I would not be surprised if the 2
murderers are already on police watch in safe houses just
waiting to be brought in.
Knowing the DMK parties in TN, the Kanchi mutt should be
aware that the police videotaped confessions will ultimately, no
matter how long it takes, be 'leaked', and will become the largest
selling VCD in India. When it does it would be inconsequential
whether JS is acquitted or convicted, or JS or VS is the
shankaracharya. I can almost swear that it is already available
for private viewing in Chennai. Hence the muted silence, and the
quiet call for 'let the law take its course'.
This, and the flash of images in the world media of JS being led
to the court, in cuffs, is another impending disaster for all
Hindus, even to me, who had nothing to do with it.
If these events come to pass, the kanchi mutt will be a source of
embaressment to all Hindus worldwide, to all mutts and the
priesthood in general too. It is for these reasons that I said that it
will be difficult for the mutt to carry on. Aghast and demoralised,
monks will just walk out of the mutt as the trial goes on. If the
mutt remains, it will be an albatross of shame around our necks.
I am certain all this has dawned on JS too, and I'm almost sure,
and know that he is bold enough to make certain decisions even
before the trial. If he doesn't maybe we should tell him to do so.
These are my views, guesses - the usual routine hollerin', and I
could be wholly wrong. No aspersions please and forgive the
forthrightness.
Regards and aum.
Pathma
It is clear you have misunderstood me, and I you. If it is okay with you, I shall address all questions over time, regarding my posts and views to clarify and clear the air.
Once again, I am a devout and dedicated Hindu and hate none - and not dravidianist, communalist, JNU, LTTE, tamil supremacist, brahmin basher, seccessionist, etc. No one can be all these at the same time.
I have widely differing views though, which properly explained, you will agree has merit.
Here is a strong one. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->More Impending Disasters
Hindus are divided now; those who think the kanchi arrest is one
nasty conspiracy, and those who dont. Those who dont are
supposed to offer sympathies, platitudes to the great work the
archarya, etc., else be condemned. By this itself, the 'conspiracy
believers' push themselves even further away from the main
body of Hindus. This is what most of the brahmin community is
doing, further alieanating themselves for all to see. They have
gone into a denial mode and cannot believe this is a karmic
payback time, never once thinking that they made mistakes, no
matter how many times we told them. They were just not good at
listening. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->Hindus are not in a destructive or self destruct mode, rather
passively progressive. They are allowing outmoded institutions
to wither. There is a near total disconnect between the people of
TN and kanchi mutt. Whether the mutt stays or closes or
relocates to Sringeri would probably make no difference to the
people. There is almost complete indifference towards the mutt.
It does not serve the people nor is a spiritual beacon to them.
Inequity is the main reason. The people resent that and revolt by
being apathetical to orthodoxy and drifting to athiest, leftist and
secularists parties. In a way, the mutt has overstayed their
welcome. These are my reading of the situation in TN. But the
people are religious inspite of supporting athiestic parties. So
there is no need for despair. Witness the popularity of the
charismatic gurus.
In all the opinions presented in the media and forums hardly
one see these events as a karma of the seer,
of the muttt and the sampradaya. They do not see that karma is
'the love of god', necessary to cleanse all of us, and to be
joyously welcomed. Er, except for the people of Tamilnadu. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->The rest are disbelievers in the law of karma.
I am surprised that CS didn't have a clue of these impending
events. A horoscope check on JS and VS would have indicated
these trying periods in their lives. Why are the astrologists silent
now? Well maybe not that surprised, as probably CS knew, and
chose to remain silent, as he was 'told' to accept these karmas.
Either that or this is also the demise of Hindu astrology. There
goes one upaveda out the window!
As regards the mutt, let me explain, with trepidation, what I was
hesitant to say earlier, being afraid of upsetting people.
The monks at kanchi mutt have to make a decision as to
whether they still have a guru, and which one would that be, and
as to whether in taking their sannyas diksha they have received
the shaktipat. Only a realised soul, one that has established
himself in the clear white light - satchitananda, and able to see
the central burning sun above his head, would be able to grant
shaktipat to monks, and guide them in their tapas, and convey
the power of the sampradaya thru this process. Such a soul can
leave his body at his choosing in an instant. Such a realised
soul can not fall from grace. The gods, as well as the whole line
of predecessor gurus will not allow it. Unless of course that is
their plan.
I hope it is understood what I am trying to say without being
impolitely explicit.
Monks cannot perform their tapas effectively when there is an air
of suspicion, distrust and a pall of shame surrounding them.
The resident sannyasins are victims of this episode. JS cannot
guide his monks from where he is. VS is too young and
inexperienced. The fact he has not visited his guru tells.
It is this that I am really, really ashamed of! VS is destroying the
guru-disciple relationship, the grandest Hindu tradition, right
before our eyes. He cannot, must not be the successor. We have
to tell JS this.
As I mentioned earlier, monasteries have rules. When a monk
leaves a monastery alone for more than a few days, he is no
longer considered a monk. That was the case in 1987 but CS
overlooked it. Right now, technically, VS is the shankaracharya. I
am not sure of the ascension rules but I think it is automatic.
Perhaps this is why VS does not go and visit JS in Vellore and
take instructions from his guru. JS would be furious by now, I'm
sure. This fact alone indicates there is friction between JS and
VS, and an impending disaster awaiting us.
Whether JS is acquitted or convicted may not matter. Events are
already overtaking. The way I see it, if JS is acquitted, then there
may also be a problem. The group around VS may not allow him
to receive back JS as the succession may have already come to
pass. It may lead to a conflict with litigation and counter suits
deadlocked in the courts and the mutt's funds frozen. If he is
convicted, he will die in jail. Either way it is going to be difficult for
the mutt to carry on. That was my point - shut the mutt down.
Murder trials and appeals, and even litigation between JS and
VS could extend over 6 years, 2010, and JS will be 76 then, his
own predicted life span. We have to endure these years. Even an
eventual acquittal will have no meaning for JS.
I am told that it takes about 5-8 days to breakdown a hardcore
criminal, 3 days for others and just 1 or 2 days for a newbie
criminal. I am told that all they have to do is order a remanded
person to follow him to another room, order him to sit down, or
stand up with 5 other burly cops sitting around, fling a file on the
table or shout at someone on the cellphone. That is enough to
breakdown a person and obtain a confession. The question as
to whether to release a detainee for lack of evidence can be
decided in 3 days. It has been
a month now.
Moreover I am told that in high profile cases usually the police
obtain a confession or witness before making an arrest. They
will not risk anything less. I would not be surprised if the 2
murderers are already on police watch in safe houses just
waiting to be brought in.
Knowing the DMK parties in TN, the Kanchi mutt should be
aware that the police videotaped confessions will ultimately, no
matter how long it takes, be 'leaked', and will become the largest
selling VCD in India. When it does it would be inconsequential
whether JS is acquitted or convicted, or JS or VS is the
shankaracharya. I can almost swear that it is already available
for private viewing in Chennai. Hence the muted silence, and the
quiet call for 'let the law take its course'.
This, and the flash of images in the world media of JS being led
to the court, in cuffs, is another impending disaster for all
Hindus, even to me, who had nothing to do with it.
If these events come to pass, the kanchi mutt will be a source of
embaressment to all Hindus worldwide, to all mutts and the
priesthood in general too. It is for these reasons that I said that it
will be difficult for the mutt to carry on. Aghast and demoralised,
monks will just walk out of the mutt as the trial goes on. If the
mutt remains, it will be an albatross of shame around our necks.
I am certain all this has dawned on JS too, and I'm almost sure,
and know that he is bold enough to make certain decisions even
before the trial. If he doesn't maybe we should tell him to do so.
These are my views, guesses - the usual routine hollerin', and I
could be wholly wrong. No aspersions please and forgive the
forthrightness.
Regards and aum.
Pathma