02-13-2009, 11:41 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Feb 8 2009, 12:04 AM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Feb 8 2009, 12:04 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->HareKrishna:
Shaivas: You got me wrong. I am not saying shaivas are a problem. I am a shaiva myself, I do not believe in changing one's kuladaivat just because you go to iskon. I am saying iskon will have problems with shaivas. Because telling hard core shaivas that "Shiva is very good, what you are doing is good, but krishna is supreme" will not amuse them. Shiva is supreme for them. Period. At least the hard core ones. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I could not care either way, as long as people are Dharmic. But problems will arise, that is all I am saying.
Yeah, I know about iskon's views on Shiva, he is the premier vaishnav or close to that.
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Im sorry Shambhu for bringing the bad news.For vishnuites,Shiva is on the second place and probably Vishnu is secondary for shaivas.Personaly i want to learn more about shaivas.What are the shaiva teachings,what is the ultimate and eternal goal?
The problem was whit Husky which in his battle agains Iskon,hit not only them but also in other branches of vaishnava(70% of hindus estimate) and even hinduism.Vaishnava are monotheist in general and vishuites(Sri Sampradaya,BAPS) belive about Vishnu the same things that krishnaites(Nimbarka,Vallabha,Iskon) belive about Krishna.
Husky sometimes mix some kind of neo-hinduism(that type expresed by western intelectuality) and folk religion.Nothing to say but he confuse monotheism whit monarhicism,no matter that hindu monotheism( as expresed by vaishnava and Iskon) is very different from abrahamic monotheism.
There are 2 ultimate and eternal goals;to merge whit impersonal Brahman,or a relation whit personal Brahman.And the personal Absolute doesnt change from one person to another as Husky belive.Brahman(personal Brahman) have his own individual and favorite preferences just like we have owr own.
Shaivas: You got me wrong. I am not saying shaivas are a problem. I am a shaiva myself, I do not believe in changing one's kuladaivat just because you go to iskon. I am saying iskon will have problems with shaivas. Because telling hard core shaivas that "Shiva is very good, what you are doing is good, but krishna is supreme" will not amuse them. Shiva is supreme for them. Period. At least the hard core ones. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I could not care either way, as long as people are Dharmic. But problems will arise, that is all I am saying.
Yeah, I know about iskon's views on Shiva, he is the premier vaishnav or close to that.
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Im sorry Shambhu for bringing the bad news.For vishnuites,Shiva is on the second place and probably Vishnu is secondary for shaivas.Personaly i want to learn more about shaivas.What are the shaiva teachings,what is the ultimate and eternal goal?
The problem was whit Husky which in his battle agains Iskon,hit not only them but also in other branches of vaishnava(70% of hindus estimate) and even hinduism.Vaishnava are monotheist in general and vishuites(Sri Sampradaya,BAPS) belive about Vishnu the same things that krishnaites(Nimbarka,Vallabha,Iskon) belive about Krishna.
Husky sometimes mix some kind of neo-hinduism(that type expresed by western intelectuality) and folk religion.Nothing to say but he confuse monotheism whit monarhicism,no matter that hindu monotheism( as expresed by vaishnava and Iskon) is very different from abrahamic monotheism.
There are 2 ultimate and eternal goals;to merge whit impersonal Brahman,or a relation whit personal Brahman.And the personal Absolute doesnt change from one person to another as Husky belive.Brahman(personal Brahman) have his own individual and favorite preferences just like we have owr own.