<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Feb 23 2009, 08:24 AM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Feb 23 2009, 08:24 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Vijayvaani
Outrage in South Asia  Â
Koenraad Elst
23 Feb 2009[right][snapback]94844[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->There's a comment by Shrikant G. Talageri there:
http://vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayAr...spx?id=400
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It is true, unfortunately, that the combined anti-Hindu forces, such as Dalitism, the Christian Mission, Jihad, foreign-owned media and consumerism, are driving nail after nail into the coffin of Hindu resistance. Hindus may end up, in the long run, as a small elite westernized world minority spread out over the western world, like the Jews (but minus their power and tenacity). In India itself, within less thn a century, they will become almost extinct, though they may still remain in small numbers like Zoroastrians in Iran. If the enemies of Hindutva, Hinduism and Hindu Civilization are gleefully gloating over this prospect, they certainly have reason to do so. True Hindus, of couse, must and will keep resisting to the bitter end; but (even at the risk of sounding obsessed and repetitive) so long as their only hopes are placed in our so-called "saffron brigade", they must be ready to face ever-worsening odds. It is this saffron brigade which, when in power, opened to the full the floodgates of resistance to foreign-owned media and consumerism in India, because of which today's emerging generations in India are turning into totally westernized clones in thought, culture and commitment. I still remember with a shudder the gleeful "I-defy-anyone-to-try-and-stop-us" expressions with which the BJP ministers, when in power, introduced pro-American, pro-capitalist and pro-consumerist laws and measures, one after the other. As Sushma Swaraj, the "saffron" I & B minister, gloatingly announced when allowing massive foreign participation in the Indian media, "Foreign participation in the Indian media is an idea whose time has come". We had Gopinath Munde, BJP deputy CM of Maharashtra, soliciting TV viewers to buy audio-cassettes of a ghazal collection whose proceeds would be donated to Mother Teresa's mission! The record of our "saffron brigade" when in power was not just one of self-defeating incompetence or downright stupidity, but of outright treachery and Quislingism. Â
 Shrikant G TalageriÂ
 24 Feb 2009<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And another:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->There is no point crying over spilt milk. Yes, Hindus trusted the BJP and the RSS to protect the Hindu nation and these two failed us. But before we engage in singing the dirge on this funeral, let us wonder if another Hindu Revival movement is possible, one that is intellegent, competent and media savvy. Hindu revivalism is not restricted to only the RSS and its ilk. It rests with a whole host of other organizations, teachers, philosophers etc. As far as a political movement, maybe it is time for more than one Hindu party to exist in India. Talageri is absolutely right in pointing out how the BJP shot itself in the foot by allowing so many foreign stakeholders in our media. It is extremely dangerous from a nationalist perspective to let foreigners take charge of the dissemination of information.Â
 K. HarapriyaÂ
 25 Feb 2009<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In this I differ with Talageri:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hindus may end up, in the long run, as a small elite westernized world minority spread out over the western world, like the Jews (but minus their power and tenacity). In India itself, within less thn a century, they will become almost extinct, though they may still remain in small numbers like Zoroastrians in Iran.
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If the enemies of Hindutva, Hinduism and Hindu Civilization are gleefully gloating over this prospect, they certainly have reason to do so. True Hindus, of couse, must and will keep resisting to the bitter end;
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->But they are <i>already</i> extinct in the western world. And almost completely extinct in the Angelsk-speaking kind as well (I tend to make an exception for the likes of Sandhya - check out her Veer Savarkar article - and Radha).
There are still Hindus (Talageri uses the phrase 'True Hindus' above; Wieso, gibt es denn auch unechte?) in very large numbers - they are in Bharatam. Scattered all over the country. They tend to be those villagers in Mangaluru that just don't get why christopubs are springing up all over the place, or the Rajput (?) villages like where the last sensationalised Sati took place - Rup Kanwar? - and who didn't understand what the christomedia's insinuations were about, or in Orissa where they're doing their best to defend themselves against christoterrorism (Dara Singh, as well as the many people who more recently stuck up for their Swami Lakshmanananda and other Orissa Hindu leaders murdered by christianism=terrorism), or the Hindu Bodo leader Bineshwar Brahma who was also murdered by christoterrorism. Further examples include M Venkatesan of TN, Sumitra who in spite of christoterrorism would not convert, and Kailash "Shravan Kumar" Giri and his mother. They are the real inconvertibles, because they are the insubvertibles.
<b>ADDED:</b>
Yes, her name was Rup Kanwar, and she - as also her villagers - do seem to be Rajput:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->From this distance we do not want to judge the true facts of the Rup Kanwar case. <b>Most people in Deorala, and most Rajputs,</b> have steadily remained believing in the authenticity of this sati and in the innocence of Rup Kanwarâs in-laws. The anti-sati expressions due to the press, the government and some judges are discarded by them as a smear-campaign by prejudiced city-dwellers who do not wish to understand anything of the heroic <b>Rajput-code</b>.
(It's not city-dwellers "who do not wish to understand". It's only non-Hindus who don't.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(Translated from http://koenraadelst.voi.org/articles/dutch/sati.htm, section "Rup Kanwar: wat we niet weten", 4th para. My comment in purple.)
Outrage in South Asia  Â
Koenraad Elst
23 Feb 2009[right][snapback]94844[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->There's a comment by Shrikant G. Talageri there:
http://vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayAr...spx?id=400
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It is true, unfortunately, that the combined anti-Hindu forces, such as Dalitism, the Christian Mission, Jihad, foreign-owned media and consumerism, are driving nail after nail into the coffin of Hindu resistance. Hindus may end up, in the long run, as a small elite westernized world minority spread out over the western world, like the Jews (but minus their power and tenacity). In India itself, within less thn a century, they will become almost extinct, though they may still remain in small numbers like Zoroastrians in Iran. If the enemies of Hindutva, Hinduism and Hindu Civilization are gleefully gloating over this prospect, they certainly have reason to do so. True Hindus, of couse, must and will keep resisting to the bitter end; but (even at the risk of sounding obsessed and repetitive) so long as their only hopes are placed in our so-called "saffron brigade", they must be ready to face ever-worsening odds. It is this saffron brigade which, when in power, opened to the full the floodgates of resistance to foreign-owned media and consumerism in India, because of which today's emerging generations in India are turning into totally westernized clones in thought, culture and commitment. I still remember with a shudder the gleeful "I-defy-anyone-to-try-and-stop-us" expressions with which the BJP ministers, when in power, introduced pro-American, pro-capitalist and pro-consumerist laws and measures, one after the other. As Sushma Swaraj, the "saffron" I & B minister, gloatingly announced when allowing massive foreign participation in the Indian media, "Foreign participation in the Indian media is an idea whose time has come". We had Gopinath Munde, BJP deputy CM of Maharashtra, soliciting TV viewers to buy audio-cassettes of a ghazal collection whose proceeds would be donated to Mother Teresa's mission! The record of our "saffron brigade" when in power was not just one of self-defeating incompetence or downright stupidity, but of outright treachery and Quislingism. Â
 Shrikant G TalageriÂ
 24 Feb 2009<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And another:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->There is no point crying over spilt milk. Yes, Hindus trusted the BJP and the RSS to protect the Hindu nation and these two failed us. But before we engage in singing the dirge on this funeral, let us wonder if another Hindu Revival movement is possible, one that is intellegent, competent and media savvy. Hindu revivalism is not restricted to only the RSS and its ilk. It rests with a whole host of other organizations, teachers, philosophers etc. As far as a political movement, maybe it is time for more than one Hindu party to exist in India. Talageri is absolutely right in pointing out how the BJP shot itself in the foot by allowing so many foreign stakeholders in our media. It is extremely dangerous from a nationalist perspective to let foreigners take charge of the dissemination of information.Â
 K. HarapriyaÂ
 25 Feb 2009<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In this I differ with Talageri:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hindus may end up, in the long run, as a small elite westernized world minority spread out over the western world, like the Jews (but minus their power and tenacity). In India itself, within less thn a century, they will become almost extinct, though they may still remain in small numbers like Zoroastrians in Iran.
...
If the enemies of Hindutva, Hinduism and Hindu Civilization are gleefully gloating over this prospect, they certainly have reason to do so. True Hindus, of couse, must and will keep resisting to the bitter end;
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->But they are <i>already</i> extinct in the western world. And almost completely extinct in the Angelsk-speaking kind as well (I tend to make an exception for the likes of Sandhya - check out her Veer Savarkar article - and Radha).
There are still Hindus (Talageri uses the phrase 'True Hindus' above; Wieso, gibt es denn auch unechte?) in very large numbers - they are in Bharatam. Scattered all over the country. They tend to be those villagers in Mangaluru that just don't get why christopubs are springing up all over the place, or the Rajput (?) villages like where the last sensationalised Sati took place - Rup Kanwar? - and who didn't understand what the christomedia's insinuations were about, or in Orissa where they're doing their best to defend themselves against christoterrorism (Dara Singh, as well as the many people who more recently stuck up for their Swami Lakshmanananda and other Orissa Hindu leaders murdered by christianism=terrorism), or the Hindu Bodo leader Bineshwar Brahma who was also murdered by christoterrorism. Further examples include M Venkatesan of TN, Sumitra who in spite of christoterrorism would not convert, and Kailash "Shravan Kumar" Giri and his mother. They are the real inconvertibles, because they are the insubvertibles.
<b>ADDED:</b>
Yes, her name was Rup Kanwar, and she - as also her villagers - do seem to be Rajput:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->From this distance we do not want to judge the true facts of the Rup Kanwar case. <b>Most people in Deorala, and most Rajputs,</b> have steadily remained believing in the authenticity of this sati and in the innocence of Rup Kanwarâs in-laws. The anti-sati expressions due to the press, the government and some judges are discarded by them as a smear-campaign by prejudiced city-dwellers who do not wish to understand anything of the heroic <b>Rajput-code</b>.
(It's not city-dwellers "who do not wish to understand". It's only non-Hindus who don't.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(Translated from http://koenraadelst.voi.org/articles/dutch/sati.htm, section "Rup Kanwar: wat we niet weten", 4th para. My comment in purple.)