Rajeev2004 refers to some Turkish page trying to supposedly 'expose' Geert Wilders - Dutch politician - who is anti-Islam. Apparently they imagine his writings somehow prove he is 'fascist'. Well, for that, they better get some *real* evidence. The christonazis were against Jews just for being Jews, even those that had converted to christianism (in which case, I'd have thought they were not Jews anymore, just ethnically Semitic still...).
From Wilders' writings, all I can make out is that he's not against muslims, but islam - the thing that brainwashed muslims and is driving their terrorism. And he says he's against <i>real</i> fascism - not the modern make-believe kind, where a realistic recognition of christoislamism as being nothing but a terrorist ideology is dubbed 'fascist'. Moreover, Wilders correctly calls the koran fascist, which it <i>is</i> (so is the babble by the way, but I won't expect too much from Europe in acknowledging this).
Time for Mira Nanda, Teesta and Shabana to have fits.
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/03/sel...s-ideas-on.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Tuesday, March 03, 2009
<b>Selections of Geert Wilders Ideas on Islam: Is the Problem Islam or Wilders?</b>
mar 3, 2009
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Selections of Geert Wilders Ideas on Islam: Is the Problem Islam or Wilders?</b>
Encyclopedia of Social Science
FASCHISM and RACISM IN THE NETHERLANDS SELECTIONS:
According to a recent opinion poll, if the Dutch parliamentary elections were held today, the Freedom Party (PVV) headed by right-wing racist leader Geert Wilders would become the largest party in the Netherlands. It would win 27 seats in the 150-seat parliament, as opposed to the nine it currently has. The Christian Democrats - the largest party in the governing coalition - would win only 26 seats.
It is clearly understood that we should more concentrate on Mr. Wilders' opinions on immigrants and Islam to understand the Ducth politics, because now nobody can claim that Mr. Wilders is a marginal man in the Netherlands politics.
You will find a selection of Mr. Wilders' politial opinions below:
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* Wilders: "The problem is Islam itself. I see Islam more as an ideology than as a religion."
* Wilders: "I believe we have been too tolerant of the intolerant. We should learn to become intolerant of the intolerant." (5)
* Wilders: "I have a problem with Islamic tradition, culture, ideology. Not with Muslim people. My intention is to show the real face of Islam. I see it as a threat. I'm trying to use images to show that what's written in the Koran is giving incentives to people all over the world. There is no equality between our culture and the retarded Islamic culture. Look at their views on homosexuality or women" (1)
* He wants the 'fascist Koran' outlawed in Holland, the constitution rewritten to make that possible, all immigration from Muslim countries halted, Muslim immigrants paid to leave and all Muslim 'criminals' stripped of Dutch citizenship and deported 'back where they came from'. (1)
* Wilders: "Its minarets are six floors high, higher than the floodlights of the Feyenoord soccer stadium,' he said of a new mosque being built in Rotterdam. 'These kinds of symbols have to stop." (1)
* Wilders: "My allies are not Le Pen or HaideÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ We'll never join up with the fascists and Mussolinis of Italy. I'm very afraid of being linked with the wrong rightist fascist groups." (1)
* Wilders: "Our Prime Minister is a big coward. The government is weak,' says Wilders. 'They hate my guts and I don't like them either." (1)
* Wilders: "Islam is something we can't afford any more in the Netherlands. I want the fascist Koran banned. We need to stop the Islamisation of the Netherlands. That means no more mosques, no more Islamic schools, no more imams... Not all Muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are Muslims." (1)
* Wilders: "I don't create hate. I want to be honest. I don't hate people. I don't hate Muslims. I hate their book and their ideology." (1)
* Wilders: "The chief sponsor of Wilders's National Press Club event is Frank Gaffney, a former Reagan administration Pentagon official who now runs the Center for Security Policy, a prominent neoconservative think tank. Others who hope to meet with Wilders include David Horowitz, a well-known conservative activist who promotes campaigns to fight Islamic extremism. (2)
* The leader of a right-wing Dutch political faction called the Party for Freedom, Wilders has transformed himself into a political performance artist, pursuing a high-profile, high-risk personal crusade against what he asserts are deeply rooted violent tendencies in Islam. When Theo van Gogh, a Dutch filmmaker (and descendant of the painter) was murdered by an Islamic extremist in 2004, Wilder used the crime to rail against Islam and Muslim immigrants. (2)
* Wilders: "As the terrorist attacks in Mumbai proved, there's no moderate Islam and it is time for the West to realize it is in a conflict with the Muslim faith at large." (3)
* Wilders: "Our Culture Is Better" (4)
* Wilders: "We are a country of consensus. I hate consensus. I like confrontation. I am not a consensus politician. . . . This is something that is really very un-Dutch." (4)
* Wilders: "Everybody knows me. . . . There is no other politician -- not even the prime minister -- who is as well-known. . . . People hate me, or they love me. There's nothing in between. There is no gray area." (4)
* Wilders: "We were like children going to their parents if they did something wrong, because every week they hassled us. . . . We really didn't care what anybody said. If the factional leadership said, 'Well, you cannot go to this TV program,' for us it was an incentive to go, not not to go. So we were a little bit of two mavericks, rebels if you like." (4)
* Mr. Wilders quit the party over its support for opening negotiations to admit Turkey into the European Union in September 2004. "Two months later, Theo van Gogh was killed, and the whole world changed," says Mr. Wilders. (4)
* Wilders: "We believe that -- 'we' means the political elite -- that all cultures are equal. I believe this is the biggest disease today facing Europe. . . . We should wake up and tell ourselves: You're not a xenophobe, you're not a racist, you're not a crazy guy if you say, 'My culture is better than yours.' A culture based on Christianity, Judaism, humanism is better. Look at how we treat women, look at how we treat apostates, look at how we go with the separation of church and state. I can give you 500 examples why our culture is better."
* Wilders: "I accept the majority of Muslims in Europe and America are not terrorists or violent people. But it really doesn't matter that much, because if you don't define your own culture as the best, dominant one, and you allow through immigration people from those countries to come in, at the end of the day you will lose your own identity and your own culture, and your society will change. And our freedom will change -- all the freedoms we have will change."
* Wilders: "The day before the verdict, I broadcasted ['Fitna'] . . . not because I was not confident in the outcome, but I thought: I'm not taking any chance, I'm doing it. And it was legal, because there was not a verdict yet."
* An organization called The Netherlands Shows Its Colors filed a criminal complaint against Mr. Wilders for "inciting hatred." In June, Dutch prosecutors declined to pursue the charge, saying in a statement: "That comments are hurtful and offensive for a large number of Muslims does not mean that they are punishable." The group is appealing the prosecutors' decision. (4)
* In July 2008, a Jordanian prosecutor, acting on a complaint from a pressure group there, charged Mr. Wilders with blasphemy and other crimes. (4)
* Wilders: "The principle is not me -- it's not about Geert Wilders. If you look at the press and the rest of the political elite in the Netherlands, nobody cares. Nobody gives a damn. This is the worst thing, maybe. . . . A nondemocratic country cannot use the international or domestic legal system to silence you. . . . If this starts, we can get rid of all parliaments, and we should close down every newspaper, and we should shut up and all pray to Mecca five times a day." (4)
* Wilders: "Geert Wilders... incites hatred against Muslims, and Pim did not do that: he had sex with Moroccan boys in dark rooms." (5)
* Wilders: "Madam Speaker, the Koran is a book that incites to violence. I remind the House that the distribution of such texts is unlawful according to Article 132 of our Penal Code. In addition, the Koran incites to hatred and calls for murder and mayhem. The distribution of such texts is made punishable by Article 137(e). The Koran is therefore a highly dangerous book; a book which is completely against our legal order and our democratic institutions. In this light, it is an absolute necessity that the Koran be banned for the defence and reinforcement of our civilisation and our constitutional state. I shall propose a second-reading motion to that effect. Madam Speaker, there is no such thing as "moderate Islam". As Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan said the other day, and I quote, "There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that's it". (6)
* Wilders: "1400 years ago war was declared on us by an ideology of hate and violence which arose at the time and was proclaimed by a barbarian who called himself the Prophet Mohammed. I am referring to Islam" (6)
- About Him:
* Born in the Limburg town of Venlo in 1963, Geert Wilders came from a Catholic background and went to a Catholic secondary school. (5)
* Because of his party's support for Turkish entry into the European Union, he left the liberals in 2002 and struck out on his own. (5)
* He set up his Freedom Party (PVV), later attracting widespread political support for his call for a ban on the burqa - which covers most of the body - even though the measure would have affected only around 50 women. Mr Wilders' greatest success was in picking up nine seats in the Dutch parliament in 2006 elections, and securing 20% of the vote in his home town of Venlo. (5)
* Wilders faces prosecution by an Amsterdam court for inciting hatred and discrimination. (7)
* Geert Wilders had wanted to show a short film, "Fitna," which accuses the Koran of inciting violence, in the British parliament, but said the British authorities had told him he was excluded from the country. "This is something you expect in Saudi Arabia but not in Britain. I think this cowardly position of Britain is very bad," he wrote. (7)
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NOTES:
(1) Ian Traynor, 'I don't hate Muslims. I hate Islam,' says Holland's rising political star, The Guardian, 17 February 2008, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/1...therlands.islam
(2) Mark Hosenball and Michael Isikoff, "The Flying Dutchman, Free-speech hero or an anti-Islamic publicity hound? Geert Wilders is coming to America", The Newsweek, URL: http://www.newsweek.com/id/185216
(3) Cnaan Liphshiz, 'There is no moderate Islam,' says far-right Dutch legislator Geert Wilders, Haaretz, 15 December 2008, http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1046505.html
(4) James Taranto, "Our Culture is Better', 28 November 2008, WSJ, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122792271890965883.html
(5) Paul Kirby, "Profile: Geert Wilders', The BBC News, 27 March 2008, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7314636.stm
(6) Geert Wilders speaks to the Dutch Parliament last September, http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/628317EB-0E7...7-5A8F55003287/
(7) "Dutch anti-Islam MP says Britain refuses him entry", Reuters, 10 February 2009, http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/i...E5197O320090210
Tuesday, 3 March 2009<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Strange how the islamics commenting on the above at the Turkish site call him a racist and a fascist. The above in no way indicates Wilders is a racist either: going by what's written above, he'd be as against the islam of a Dutch convert as against the islam of someone from the Indian subcontinent, since islam is the constant and that appears to be what he's against.
Besides, who are the Turkish muslims calling fascist? It's a historical fact that islamis from Turkey genocided Armenians and continue to deny the genocide they had committed (massacre-and-deny is what christoislamics are good at, after all). And then, they charged that Armenians had committed a genocide of muslims instead. Where have I seen these islamic reversals of facts before?
From Wilders' writings, all I can make out is that he's not against muslims, but islam - the thing that brainwashed muslims and is driving their terrorism. And he says he's against <i>real</i> fascism - not the modern make-believe kind, where a realistic recognition of christoislamism as being nothing but a terrorist ideology is dubbed 'fascist'. Moreover, Wilders correctly calls the koran fascist, which it <i>is</i> (so is the babble by the way, but I won't expect too much from Europe in acknowledging this).
Time for Mira Nanda, Teesta and Shabana to have fits.
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/03/sel...s-ideas-on.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Tuesday, March 03, 2009
<b>Selections of Geert Wilders Ideas on Islam: Is the Problem Islam or Wilders?</b>
mar 3, 2009
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Selections of Geert Wilders Ideas on Islam: Is the Problem Islam or Wilders?</b>
Encyclopedia of Social Science
FASCHISM and RACISM IN THE NETHERLANDS SELECTIONS:
According to a recent opinion poll, if the Dutch parliamentary elections were held today, the Freedom Party (PVV) headed by right-wing racist leader Geert Wilders would become the largest party in the Netherlands. It would win 27 seats in the 150-seat parliament, as opposed to the nine it currently has. The Christian Democrats - the largest party in the governing coalition - would win only 26 seats.
It is clearly understood that we should more concentrate on Mr. Wilders' opinions on immigrants and Islam to understand the Ducth politics, because now nobody can claim that Mr. Wilders is a marginal man in the Netherlands politics.
You will find a selection of Mr. Wilders' politial opinions below:
---
* Wilders: "The problem is Islam itself. I see Islam more as an ideology than as a religion."
* Wilders: "I believe we have been too tolerant of the intolerant. We should learn to become intolerant of the intolerant." (5)
* Wilders: "I have a problem with Islamic tradition, culture, ideology. Not with Muslim people. My intention is to show the real face of Islam. I see it as a threat. I'm trying to use images to show that what's written in the Koran is giving incentives to people all over the world. There is no equality between our culture and the retarded Islamic culture. Look at their views on homosexuality or women" (1)
* He wants the 'fascist Koran' outlawed in Holland, the constitution rewritten to make that possible, all immigration from Muslim countries halted, Muslim immigrants paid to leave and all Muslim 'criminals' stripped of Dutch citizenship and deported 'back where they came from'. (1)
* Wilders: "Its minarets are six floors high, higher than the floodlights of the Feyenoord soccer stadium,' he said of a new mosque being built in Rotterdam. 'These kinds of symbols have to stop." (1)
* Wilders: "My allies are not Le Pen or HaideÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ We'll never join up with the fascists and Mussolinis of Italy. I'm very afraid of being linked with the wrong rightist fascist groups." (1)
* Wilders: "Our Prime Minister is a big coward. The government is weak,' says Wilders. 'They hate my guts and I don't like them either." (1)
* Wilders: "Islam is something we can't afford any more in the Netherlands. I want the fascist Koran banned. We need to stop the Islamisation of the Netherlands. That means no more mosques, no more Islamic schools, no more imams... Not all Muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are Muslims." (1)
* Wilders: "I don't create hate. I want to be honest. I don't hate people. I don't hate Muslims. I hate their book and their ideology." (1)
* Wilders: "The chief sponsor of Wilders's National Press Club event is Frank Gaffney, a former Reagan administration Pentagon official who now runs the Center for Security Policy, a prominent neoconservative think tank. Others who hope to meet with Wilders include David Horowitz, a well-known conservative activist who promotes campaigns to fight Islamic extremism. (2)
* The leader of a right-wing Dutch political faction called the Party for Freedom, Wilders has transformed himself into a political performance artist, pursuing a high-profile, high-risk personal crusade against what he asserts are deeply rooted violent tendencies in Islam. When Theo van Gogh, a Dutch filmmaker (and descendant of the painter) was murdered by an Islamic extremist in 2004, Wilder used the crime to rail against Islam and Muslim immigrants. (2)
* Wilders: "As the terrorist attacks in Mumbai proved, there's no moderate Islam and it is time for the West to realize it is in a conflict with the Muslim faith at large." (3)
* Wilders: "Our Culture Is Better" (4)
* Wilders: "We are a country of consensus. I hate consensus. I like confrontation. I am not a consensus politician. . . . This is something that is really very un-Dutch." (4)
* Wilders: "Everybody knows me. . . . There is no other politician -- not even the prime minister -- who is as well-known. . . . People hate me, or they love me. There's nothing in between. There is no gray area." (4)
* Wilders: "We were like children going to their parents if they did something wrong, because every week they hassled us. . . . We really didn't care what anybody said. If the factional leadership said, 'Well, you cannot go to this TV program,' for us it was an incentive to go, not not to go. So we were a little bit of two mavericks, rebels if you like." (4)
* Mr. Wilders quit the party over its support for opening negotiations to admit Turkey into the European Union in September 2004. "Two months later, Theo van Gogh was killed, and the whole world changed," says Mr. Wilders. (4)
* Wilders: "We believe that -- 'we' means the political elite -- that all cultures are equal. I believe this is the biggest disease today facing Europe. . . . We should wake up and tell ourselves: You're not a xenophobe, you're not a racist, you're not a crazy guy if you say, 'My culture is better than yours.' A culture based on Christianity, Judaism, humanism is better. Look at how we treat women, look at how we treat apostates, look at how we go with the separation of church and state. I can give you 500 examples why our culture is better."
* Wilders: "I accept the majority of Muslims in Europe and America are not terrorists or violent people. But it really doesn't matter that much, because if you don't define your own culture as the best, dominant one, and you allow through immigration people from those countries to come in, at the end of the day you will lose your own identity and your own culture, and your society will change. And our freedom will change -- all the freedoms we have will change."
* Wilders: "The day before the verdict, I broadcasted ['Fitna'] . . . not because I was not confident in the outcome, but I thought: I'm not taking any chance, I'm doing it. And it was legal, because there was not a verdict yet."
* An organization called The Netherlands Shows Its Colors filed a criminal complaint against Mr. Wilders for "inciting hatred." In June, Dutch prosecutors declined to pursue the charge, saying in a statement: "That comments are hurtful and offensive for a large number of Muslims does not mean that they are punishable." The group is appealing the prosecutors' decision. (4)
* In July 2008, a Jordanian prosecutor, acting on a complaint from a pressure group there, charged Mr. Wilders with blasphemy and other crimes. (4)
* Wilders: "The principle is not me -- it's not about Geert Wilders. If you look at the press and the rest of the political elite in the Netherlands, nobody cares. Nobody gives a damn. This is the worst thing, maybe. . . . A nondemocratic country cannot use the international or domestic legal system to silence you. . . . If this starts, we can get rid of all parliaments, and we should close down every newspaper, and we should shut up and all pray to Mecca five times a day." (4)
* Wilders: "Geert Wilders... incites hatred against Muslims, and Pim did not do that: he had sex with Moroccan boys in dark rooms." (5)
* Wilders: "Madam Speaker, the Koran is a book that incites to violence. I remind the House that the distribution of such texts is unlawful according to Article 132 of our Penal Code. In addition, the Koran incites to hatred and calls for murder and mayhem. The distribution of such texts is made punishable by Article 137(e). The Koran is therefore a highly dangerous book; a book which is completely against our legal order and our democratic institutions. In this light, it is an absolute necessity that the Koran be banned for the defence and reinforcement of our civilisation and our constitutional state. I shall propose a second-reading motion to that effect. Madam Speaker, there is no such thing as "moderate Islam". As Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan said the other day, and I quote, "There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that's it". (6)
* Wilders: "1400 years ago war was declared on us by an ideology of hate and violence which arose at the time and was proclaimed by a barbarian who called himself the Prophet Mohammed. I am referring to Islam" (6)
- About Him:
* Born in the Limburg town of Venlo in 1963, Geert Wilders came from a Catholic background and went to a Catholic secondary school. (5)
* Because of his party's support for Turkish entry into the European Union, he left the liberals in 2002 and struck out on his own. (5)
* He set up his Freedom Party (PVV), later attracting widespread political support for his call for a ban on the burqa - which covers most of the body - even though the measure would have affected only around 50 women. Mr Wilders' greatest success was in picking up nine seats in the Dutch parliament in 2006 elections, and securing 20% of the vote in his home town of Venlo. (5)
* Wilders faces prosecution by an Amsterdam court for inciting hatred and discrimination. (7)
* Geert Wilders had wanted to show a short film, "Fitna," which accuses the Koran of inciting violence, in the British parliament, but said the British authorities had told him he was excluded from the country. "This is something you expect in Saudi Arabia but not in Britain. I think this cowardly position of Britain is very bad," he wrote. (7)
-----------------------------------
NOTES:
(1) Ian Traynor, 'I don't hate Muslims. I hate Islam,' says Holland's rising political star, The Guardian, 17 February 2008, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/1...therlands.islam
(2) Mark Hosenball and Michael Isikoff, "The Flying Dutchman, Free-speech hero or an anti-Islamic publicity hound? Geert Wilders is coming to America", The Newsweek, URL: http://www.newsweek.com/id/185216
(3) Cnaan Liphshiz, 'There is no moderate Islam,' says far-right Dutch legislator Geert Wilders, Haaretz, 15 December 2008, http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1046505.html
(4) James Taranto, "Our Culture is Better', 28 November 2008, WSJ, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122792271890965883.html
(5) Paul Kirby, "Profile: Geert Wilders', The BBC News, 27 March 2008, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7314636.stm
(6) Geert Wilders speaks to the Dutch Parliament last September, http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/628317EB-0E7...7-5A8F55003287/
(7) "Dutch anti-Islam MP says Britain refuses him entry", Reuters, 10 February 2009, http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/i...E5197O320090210
Tuesday, 3 March 2009<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Strange how the islamics commenting on the above at the Turkish site call him a racist and a fascist. The above in no way indicates Wilders is a racist either: going by what's written above, he'd be as against the islam of a Dutch convert as against the islam of someone from the Indian subcontinent, since islam is the constant and that appears to be what he's against.
Besides, who are the Turkish muslims calling fascist? It's a historical fact that islamis from Turkey genocided Armenians and continue to deny the genocide they had committed (massacre-and-deny is what christoislamics are good at, after all). And then, they charged that Armenians had committed a genocide of muslims instead. Where have I seen these islamic reversals of facts before?