^ All the above
The following links:
1. mainly for the comments showing <b>what the Hindu readership at HK thinks</b> of FVG (they are more aware Hindus, in that they know about the christian ownership of various media outlets, etcetera)
2. also for what HK thinks of FVG
- http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...382&SKIN=B
Varun Gandhi defends Hindus
17/03/2009 14:48:54 Vedaprakash
- http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...385&SKIN=B
Varun defends: Iâm a Gandhi, Hindu and Indian in equal measure
18/03/2009 13:30:40 With Inputs from Daily Pioneer
- http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...387&SKIN=B
"There is Hindutva spark in him. Donât extinguish itâ -Thackeray defends Varun
18/03/2009 13:38:46
TN Raghunatha | Mumbai - Daily Pioneer
- http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...397&SKIN=K
Varun Gandhis are just need of the time and we need one in every village.
19/03/2009 14:54:28 Raghavan Nair
<b>Correction beyond the green section.</b>
Has HK and its readership not read the news where FVG said that he supports secularism, is not communal and did not say what he was accused of saying?
Media is creating one idea of FVG that is sold to Hindus, and the reality could just as well turn out to be another.
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Mar 18 2009, 08:59 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Mar 18 2009, 08:59 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Mar 18 2009, 04:51 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bodhi @ Mar 18 2009, 04:51 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The episode is not about judging VG,</b> and that would be juvenile thing to do, but it is really about analyzing reactions it has generated within different quarters, especially within BJP.[right][snapback]95599[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Also a good time to analyse whether he's just another kkkangress plant meant to drive a wedge into and split the BJP votebank. And to look at how big the media blows this up. Maybe they just want to give lots of <b>exposure to VG for a reason? Media always attempts to manipulate Hindu responses.</b> Especially at election time. And Congress machinations are also enlarged at election time.[right][snapback]95603[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->But the Hindu readership IS precisely both judging and responding to VG, and not thinking matters through. And that is exactly my worry. Personally, I don't think it has anything to do with juvenalia on their part (moreover the pulse of the masses can't be dismissed with condescension, because it acts more powerful than an individual's solitary vote): Hindus are so desperate now, they are eager to believe. To believe in the very first person that comes up to them and is (accused of) saying things that <i>sound</i> like (s)he may <i>act</i> to defend Hindus and Hindu Dharma. (Reminiscent of the general jubilation at the theories floated on the existence of some 'Hindu Terrier'.)
Instead of reasoning about the person's motivations and the things FVG has publicly said afterwards (his having denied making the statements as presented; his professing secularism with reference to Sanjay Gandhi's kind), many people would rather believe those things of him that they'd prefer to believe.
Belief is a dangerous thing - they are drawing conclusions emotionally rather than basing it on the available data. They could be setting themselves up for a disappointment. Jumping to eager conclusions too fast. Ought to be more wary. For instance, if FVG did turn out to be insincere and to be planted besides, then one conclusion is that KKKongress is certainly pushing the right buttons in painting him as attractive material to that part of the Hindu votebank that's more aware of the troubles the nation is facing. Hindus have to develop some methods of discernment, such as at least waiting for more data before getting elated and endorsing politicians/groups.
<b>ADDED:</b>
To me, the following bit posted earlier in this thread makes the event sound like a KKKongressi card:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Amar Singh said such comments were expected of a saffron leader.
"There is nothing new in the statement. BJP leaders had been using such words in the past too," Singh told reporters here.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->A bit like how the christomedia's staged "Ra msena beating up women" drama was then slammed by the same christomedia. All for ensuring KKKongressi points.
This is also interesting, though the meaning of silence is harder to guess at:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Political observers find the silence of SP chief Mulayam Singh Yadav, who declined to comment on the issue, a little intriguing.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Any person on the BJP side truly concerned with Hindu Dharma ought to
1. first thoroughly investigate FVG and find out all about his motivations. Why is he playing exactly to KKKangress' picture of BJP, for instance. If he'd been sincere to help Hindus out, he could have spoken more diplomatically, ensured more votes, and when in power work to eradicate christoislamism. Now the only ones getting any mileage out of this is the KKKongress, as much of the BJP doesn't know how fast to wash its hands off FVG, BJP is further tarnished in the view of the psecular voters, KKKongress is ecstatic to have such a 'miraculous' instance to pin on BJP and the 'saffron side' in general, it's not likely that Hindus looking forward to FVG acting on their behalf will get to see the person which they at present believe him to be in power.
2. if, after investigating him, FVG <i>was</i> found to be sincere, need to make sure he knows how to speak diplomatically, and act eloquently in favour of Hindu Dharma.
But if he didn't make those remarks that have been branded as 'communal', then need to make sure that those who created and spread the libel are sued into beggary. Get the message across that it doesn't pay to lie.
3. if FVG is found to be a plant, expose him and bring down KKKongress with it and expose their tactics. If FVG is merely found to be insincere (opportunist politician), publicly dump him for not being a Hindu.
<b>ADDED: Full green section above all irrelevant because I was wrong.</b>
See:
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Mar 20 2009, 05:58 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Mar 20 2009, 05:58 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Like when you repeat that he has <b>disowned his statements, which he has obviousely not - he has only said that these are not the original words of his, and there are things added and deleted to what he said.</b>Â I can imagine you did not see the videos posted by Dhu and especially the one (with Dipak Chaurasia) by me where <b>he repeated yesterday that he stands by what he said about protecting Hindus, but has not said any derogatory thing against moslems.</b>[right][snapback]95657[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(While I've not watched the Hindi video referred to - since, well, I don't understand Hindi - the summary above suffices since I have watched the English video that Dhu posted, which seems to be similar in spirit, though not the same in content.)
The following links:
1. mainly for the comments showing <b>what the Hindu readership at HK thinks</b> of FVG (they are more aware Hindus, in that they know about the christian ownership of various media outlets, etcetera)
2. also for what HK thinks of FVG
- http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...382&SKIN=B
Varun Gandhi defends Hindus
17/03/2009 14:48:54 Vedaprakash
- http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...385&SKIN=B
Varun defends: Iâm a Gandhi, Hindu and Indian in equal measure
18/03/2009 13:30:40 With Inputs from Daily Pioneer
- http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...387&SKIN=B
"There is Hindutva spark in him. Donât extinguish itâ -Thackeray defends Varun
18/03/2009 13:38:46
TN Raghunatha | Mumbai - Daily Pioneer
- http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...397&SKIN=K
Varun Gandhis are just need of the time and we need one in every village.
19/03/2009 14:54:28 Raghavan Nair
<b>Correction beyond the green section.</b>
Has HK and its readership not read the news where FVG said that he supports secularism, is not communal and did not say what he was accused of saying?
Media is creating one idea of FVG that is sold to Hindus, and the reality could just as well turn out to be another.
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Mar 18 2009, 08:59 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Mar 18 2009, 08:59 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Mar 18 2009, 04:51 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bodhi @ Mar 18 2009, 04:51 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The episode is not about judging VG,</b> and that would be juvenile thing to do, but it is really about analyzing reactions it has generated within different quarters, especially within BJP.[right][snapback]95599[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Also a good time to analyse whether he's just another kkkangress plant meant to drive a wedge into and split the BJP votebank. And to look at how big the media blows this up. Maybe they just want to give lots of <b>exposure to VG for a reason? Media always attempts to manipulate Hindu responses.</b> Especially at election time. And Congress machinations are also enlarged at election time.[right][snapback]95603[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->But the Hindu readership IS precisely both judging and responding to VG, and not thinking matters through. And that is exactly my worry. Personally, I don't think it has anything to do with juvenalia on their part (moreover the pulse of the masses can't be dismissed with condescension, because it acts more powerful than an individual's solitary vote): Hindus are so desperate now, they are eager to believe. To believe in the very first person that comes up to them and is (accused of) saying things that <i>sound</i> like (s)he may <i>act</i> to defend Hindus and Hindu Dharma. (Reminiscent of the general jubilation at the theories floated on the existence of some 'Hindu Terrier'.)
Instead of reasoning about the person's motivations and the things FVG has publicly said afterwards (his having denied making the statements as presented; his professing secularism with reference to Sanjay Gandhi's kind), many people would rather believe those things of him that they'd prefer to believe.
Belief is a dangerous thing - they are drawing conclusions emotionally rather than basing it on the available data. They could be setting themselves up for a disappointment. Jumping to eager conclusions too fast. Ought to be more wary. For instance, if FVG did turn out to be insincere and to be planted besides, then one conclusion is that KKKongress is certainly pushing the right buttons in painting him as attractive material to that part of the Hindu votebank that's more aware of the troubles the nation is facing. Hindus have to develop some methods of discernment, such as at least waiting for more data before getting elated and endorsing politicians/groups.
<b>ADDED:</b>
To me, the following bit posted earlier in this thread makes the event sound like a KKKongressi card:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Amar Singh said such comments were expected of a saffron leader.
"There is nothing new in the statement. BJP leaders had been using such words in the past too," Singh told reporters here.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->A bit like how the christomedia's staged "Ra msena beating up women" drama was then slammed by the same christomedia. All for ensuring KKKongressi points.
This is also interesting, though the meaning of silence is harder to guess at:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Political observers find the silence of SP chief Mulayam Singh Yadav, who declined to comment on the issue, a little intriguing.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Any person on the BJP side truly concerned with Hindu Dharma ought to
1. first thoroughly investigate FVG and find out all about his motivations. Why is he playing exactly to KKKangress' picture of BJP, for instance. If he'd been sincere to help Hindus out, he could have spoken more diplomatically, ensured more votes, and when in power work to eradicate christoislamism. Now the only ones getting any mileage out of this is the KKKongress, as much of the BJP doesn't know how fast to wash its hands off FVG, BJP is further tarnished in the view of the psecular voters, KKKongress is ecstatic to have such a 'miraculous' instance to pin on BJP and the 'saffron side' in general, it's not likely that Hindus looking forward to FVG acting on their behalf will get to see the person which they at present believe him to be in power.
2. if, after investigating him, FVG <i>was</i> found to be sincere, need to make sure he knows how to speak diplomatically, and act eloquently in favour of Hindu Dharma.
But if he didn't make those remarks that have been branded as 'communal', then need to make sure that those who created and spread the libel are sued into beggary. Get the message across that it doesn't pay to lie.
3. if FVG is found to be a plant, expose him and bring down KKKongress with it and expose their tactics. If FVG is merely found to be insincere (opportunist politician), publicly dump him for not being a Hindu.
<b>ADDED: Full green section above all irrelevant because I was wrong.</b>
See:
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Mar 20 2009, 05:58 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Mar 20 2009, 05:58 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Like when you repeat that he has <b>disowned his statements, which he has obviousely not - he has only said that these are not the original words of his, and there are things added and deleted to what he said.</b>Â I can imagine you did not see the videos posted by Dhu and especially the one (with Dipak Chaurasia) by me where <b>he repeated yesterday that he stands by what he said about protecting Hindus, but has not said any derogatory thing against moslems.</b>[right][snapback]95657[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(While I've not watched the Hindi video referred to - since, well, I don't understand Hindi - the summary above suffices since I have watched the English video that Dhu posted, which seems to be similar in spirit, though not the same in content.)