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Answers to my questions AKA <b>How I Was Totally Wrong</b> (but glad to find I was):
1. Question:
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Mar 17 2009, 08:36 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Mar 17 2009, 08:36 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"This is not a 'Hand' (Congress symbol), it is the power of the 'Lotus' (BJP symbol). It will cut the head of Jai Shri Ram," Gandhi, son of the late Sanjay Gandhi and Maneka, <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->What does he mean "it will cut the head of Jai Sri Ram"? Did I misread. Or is there some other person he's referring to with "Jai Sri Ram" than the one I'm thinking of?[right][snapback]95558[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Answers:
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Mar 18 2009, 08:22 AM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Mar 18 2009, 08:22 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->"it will cut the head of ....(not audible, b/g noise).... (slogan->) Jai Sri Ram"
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<!--QuoteBegin-dhu+Mar 18 2009, 08:13 AM-->QUOTE(dhu @ Mar 18 2009, 08:13 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Police file FIR against Varun Gandhi<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"this is not a 'Hand' (Congress symbol), it is the power of the 'Lotus' (BJP symbol). It will cut the head of ....... Jai Shri Ram."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The media censored the whole statement.
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2. Question:
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Mar 18 2009, 03:21 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Mar 18 2009, 03:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->One more thing I need to know to make me feel less suspicious:
2. What about the old Sikh person who alleged that Feroze Varun Gandhi drove him away? Is that just more of christomedia's fictions or is there truth to that or has it been spun out of context, or was it a paid Khalistani told to mouth those lines for TV or ... what?[right][snapback]95596[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Response:
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Mar 20 2009, 05:58 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Mar 20 2009, 05:58 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->some supposed eviction of some sikh person from a rally, for unspecified reason, by unspecified actors, in a story run only by CNN-IBN, only once, in a vague language reminding one of their Gujarat style, and then copied pasted by their cousins, but not taken up by any sober media outlet.[right][snapback]95657[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
3. Questions:
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Mar 18 2009, 04:16 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Mar 18 2009, 04:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><i>If</i> those were his words and he were sincere why would he need to deny his statements and loudly swear allegiance to secularism? How can Hindus trust him if he says one thing to them and another thing to others? Which does he really mean.
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Va...-charge/435702/
"Varun says tape doctored, denies charge" (from Mudy's post in another thread)
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"I unequivocally state that that (the speech CD) is neither my voice nor my language. The tape in question appears to have been doctored," Gandhi claimed.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]95597[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Answer:
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Mar 20 2009, 05:58 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Mar 20 2009, 05:58 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Like when <b>you repeat that he has disowned his statements, which he has obviousely not - he has only said that these are not the original words of his, and there are things added and deleted to what he said.</b>Â I can imagine you did not see the videos posted by Dhu and especially the one (with Dipak Chaurasia) by me where <b>he repeated yesterday that he stands by what he said about protecting Hindus, but has not said any derogatory thing against moslems.</b>[right][snapback]95657[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
4. Video posted by Dhu (#367 of BJP - 6 thread): Varun Gandhi cries foul (English).
<b>Transcript of the above English-language video where Feroze Varun Gandhi delivers his statement</b>
(A lot - but not all - of it was already there in the news articles which others had posted earlier in this thread. The transcript is for anyone else who doesn't have great connectivity, but it's better to watch the video itself as the text is no substitute):
"Each time anyone identifies with the Hindu community, there is a vigorous attempt to embarrass and brand him communal. I am proud of my faith, not apologetic about it. I'm a Gandhi, a Hindu and an Indian in equal measure. Hindutva embraces tolerance and justice, compassion with courage, and inclusivity with insight. Nothing I've ever said or done has been intended to incite hatred. I'm pro-India, not anti-anybody.
Since the UP assembly elections, the Pilibhit parliamentary constituency and the entire of central Uttar Pradesh, which is about 20 districts, has been witness to a number of communal and provocative incidents.
The slaughtered remains of cows has been found in various homes. No action has been taken.
Thousands and thousands of people from the Hindu community have been placed under arrest in NSA (National Security Act).
Three temples have been vandalised in the block in which I am supposed to have given this speech.
Village pradhans have been threatened daily.
Quota shop owners have had their quotas cancelled.
Pilibhit is a sensitive border area. There is widespread fear that arms are being smuggled into ghettos to be used against India. My attempt has been to restore confidence in a community that has been under siege in its own country.
When things are seen out of context, there is always the danger of misunderstanding.
India is a big country, with a big heart. There is room in it for all to live in peace and goodwill. That is my sincere hope and effort. I have been the victim of a political conspiracy. Those are not my words and that is not my voice. I have not made any communal statement. I want to ask the nation to stand by me. This CD which was supposed to be made on the 4th, why was it released on the 16th? Where was it for 12 days? Who has made it? It has been doctored. It has been a malicious attempt to brand me as communal. There is no question of my having any ill feeling towards (any?) community. Yes I'm a proud Hindu, and as a proud Hindu I stand by all members of all religions and all faiths. Thank you. Now I will give my statement in Hindi. ..."
Better to watch it, since it shows a lot more about the person than just reading news snippets of what he says - for one thing, he's very young and sounds it too. Taken in context of the video, it makes his statements referring to his dad good-natured rather than anything sinister as I had jumped to unrealistic conclusions that it might be (though I did so in conjunction with the weirdness of the above 1-3). But my view of his dad - Sanjay Gandhi - remains unchanged and is a separate issue.
Repeat: <b>I was WRONG</b> (at the very least on 1-3).
Not that that comes as a surprise. This wasn't the first time and unlikely to be the last.
Answers to my questions AKA <b>How I Was Totally Wrong</b> (but glad to find I was):
1. Question:
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Mar 17 2009, 08:36 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Mar 17 2009, 08:36 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"This is not a 'Hand' (Congress symbol), it is the power of the 'Lotus' (BJP symbol). It will cut the head of Jai Shri Ram," Gandhi, son of the late Sanjay Gandhi and Maneka, <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->What does he mean "it will cut the head of Jai Sri Ram"? Did I misread. Or is there some other person he's referring to with "Jai Sri Ram" than the one I'm thinking of?[right][snapback]95558[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Answers:
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Mar 18 2009, 08:22 AM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Mar 18 2009, 08:22 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->"it will cut the head of ....(not audible, b/g noise).... (slogan->) Jai Sri Ram"
[right][snapback]95579[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-dhu+Mar 18 2009, 08:13 AM-->QUOTE(dhu @ Mar 18 2009, 08:13 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Police file FIR against Varun Gandhi<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"this is not a 'Hand' (Congress symbol), it is the power of the 'Lotus' (BJP symbol). It will cut the head of ....... Jai Shri Ram."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The media censored the whole statement.
[right][snapback]95578[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
2. Question:
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Mar 18 2009, 03:21 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Mar 18 2009, 03:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->One more thing I need to know to make me feel less suspicious:
2. What about the old Sikh person who alleged that Feroze Varun Gandhi drove him away? Is that just more of christomedia's fictions or is there truth to that or has it been spun out of context, or was it a paid Khalistani told to mouth those lines for TV or ... what?[right][snapback]95596[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Response:
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Mar 20 2009, 05:58 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Mar 20 2009, 05:58 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->some supposed eviction of some sikh person from a rally, for unspecified reason, by unspecified actors, in a story run only by CNN-IBN, only once, in a vague language reminding one of their Gujarat style, and then copied pasted by their cousins, but not taken up by any sober media outlet.[right][snapback]95657[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
3. Questions:
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Mar 18 2009, 04:16 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Mar 18 2009, 04:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><i>If</i> those were his words and he were sincere why would he need to deny his statements and loudly swear allegiance to secularism? How can Hindus trust him if he says one thing to them and another thing to others? Which does he really mean.
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Va...-charge/435702/
"Varun says tape doctored, denies charge" (from Mudy's post in another thread)
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"I unequivocally state that that (the speech CD) is neither my voice nor my language. The tape in question appears to have been doctored," Gandhi claimed.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]95597[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Answer:
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Mar 20 2009, 05:58 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Mar 20 2009, 05:58 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Like when <b>you repeat that he has disowned his statements, which he has obviousely not - he has only said that these are not the original words of his, and there are things added and deleted to what he said.</b>Â I can imagine you did not see the videos posted by Dhu and especially the one (with Dipak Chaurasia) by me where <b>he repeated yesterday that he stands by what he said about protecting Hindus, but has not said any derogatory thing against moslems.</b>[right][snapback]95657[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
4. Video posted by Dhu (#367 of BJP - 6 thread): Varun Gandhi cries foul (English).
<b>Transcript of the above English-language video where Feroze Varun Gandhi delivers his statement</b>
(A lot - but not all - of it was already there in the news articles which others had posted earlier in this thread. The transcript is for anyone else who doesn't have great connectivity, but it's better to watch the video itself as the text is no substitute):
"Each time anyone identifies with the Hindu community, there is a vigorous attempt to embarrass and brand him communal. I am proud of my faith, not apologetic about it. I'm a Gandhi, a Hindu and an Indian in equal measure. Hindutva embraces tolerance and justice, compassion with courage, and inclusivity with insight. Nothing I've ever said or done has been intended to incite hatred. I'm pro-India, not anti-anybody.
Since the UP assembly elections, the Pilibhit parliamentary constituency and the entire of central Uttar Pradesh, which is about 20 districts, has been witness to a number of communal and provocative incidents.
The slaughtered remains of cows has been found in various homes. No action has been taken.
Thousands and thousands of people from the Hindu community have been placed under arrest in NSA (National Security Act).
Three temples have been vandalised in the block in which I am supposed to have given this speech.
Village pradhans have been threatened daily.
Quota shop owners have had their quotas cancelled.
Pilibhit is a sensitive border area. There is widespread fear that arms are being smuggled into ghettos to be used against India. My attempt has been to restore confidence in a community that has been under siege in its own country.
When things are seen out of context, there is always the danger of misunderstanding.
India is a big country, with a big heart. There is room in it for all to live in peace and goodwill. That is my sincere hope and effort. I have been the victim of a political conspiracy. Those are not my words and that is not my voice. I have not made any communal statement. I want to ask the nation to stand by me. This CD which was supposed to be made on the 4th, why was it released on the 16th? Where was it for 12 days? Who has made it? It has been doctored. It has been a malicious attempt to brand me as communal. There is no question of my having any ill feeling towards (any?) community. Yes I'm a proud Hindu, and as a proud Hindu I stand by all members of all religions and all faiths. Thank you. Now I will give my statement in Hindi. ..."
Better to watch it, since it shows a lot more about the person than just reading news snippets of what he says - for one thing, he's very young and sounds it too. Taken in context of the video, it makes his statements referring to his dad good-natured rather than anything sinister as I had jumped to unrealistic conclusions that it might be (though I did so in conjunction with the weirdness of the above 1-3). But my view of his dad - Sanjay Gandhi - remains unchanged and is a separate issue.
Repeat: <b>I was WRONG</b> (at the very least on 1-3).
Not that that comes as a surprise. This wasn't the first time and unlikely to be the last.