My comment below doesn't actually belong in this thread. It belongs in the christoislamism thread. But there isn't one and I'm referring to a small part of Talageri's writing pasted above, so I'm posting it here.
Agreeing with a lot of the other elements in Talageri's comment at VV, but have to disagree with this bit:
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Mar 31 2009, 11:16 AM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Mar 31 2009, 11:16 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->S Talageri comments on Sandhya Jain's article:
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Yes, I agree that lumpenism and Muslim-bashing are not what Hinduism and Hindutva are all about (I have even criticized the Gujarat anti-Muslim violence in my article in the Sita Ram Goel Commemoration volume published by Voice of India, New Delhi), some of my very best friends are Muslims
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]95954[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->So it's the missionaries and not christianism that is the problem? I mean the jihadis and not islam?
Muslims are a product of their ideology, it is not them that are the enemy (although if any terrorise, the response should be to shoot on sight) but the ideology. They are certainly dangerous, because they are the physical form given to the murderous ideology (the meme needs a body in order to murder). But it is the ideology that must be terminated. In theory, the terrorist mindvirus can be passed on in the last carrier, just as one last koran can be the long-hibernating seed for future villainy. These dangerous ideas (christoislamism) must be exposed and debunked, and the human populations must be immunised against them. Somehow.
Talageri attempts to make the impossible distinction: how it's somehow NOT islam but it's 'jihadists/islamic terrorists' that are the problem <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> (Actually, he doesn't even mention islam, only islamic terrorism - which further underscores the point.) By such logic, then, even if there were no islam there could still be jihadists...? So apparently jihadists spring up from nowhere?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And I feel that Christian proselytization and western cultural brainwashing of our Indian youth are infinitely greater dangers to India and Hinduism than Islamic terrorism, terrible and monstrous though that terrorism is. But, at the same time, the ugly face of Islamic fundamentalism and its potential dangers to India cannot be overlooked. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And again, 'christian proselytisation' is the problem. No mention of christianism (the root and sole cause thereof).
Personal stories on having many muslim best friends is not going to solve the bigger problem of how the islamic masses are sleeper cells, ticking timebomb. It is a fact. Many a Kashmiri said how their friendly islamic neighbours are the ones that hounded them out violently in the end and have taken over their homes.
Hindus like to be deceived I think. Extinction is a certainty if they don't give up such traits. ISLAM is the problem, it is the root cause of jihadism. Decent muslim neighbours and friends become jihadists because of islam.
Closing one's eyes to the real problem and inventing phantoms or symptoms to fight is not going to do anything except to perpetuate the LIE that is going to ensure the extinction of Natural Traditions.
For all Talageri's apt criticism of BJP's secular waltz, Talageri himself is but a degree removed from the same.
Say it. Christoislamism is the enemy of humanity.
There is no two ways about it. We can either roll over and die or we can recognise and admit to what the terrorist ideology is by no means concealing: that these ideologies itself are our enemy and aim to destroy us. And recognition means we can then do something about it, instead of blaming 'them missionaries, jihadists and OBL' as if christians don't become missionaries and NLFT terrorists, and as if muslims don't become jihadists. Apparently missionaries/evanjihadis and jihadis/terrorists are a separate species born of air. Such conclusions are ostrich head-in-sand manoeuvres. They will help not at all. But I've repeated myself forever on this and I'm sure everyone's at least as tired as I am to have it all over again.
Agreeing with a lot of the other elements in Talageri's comment at VV, but have to disagree with this bit:
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Mar 31 2009, 11:16 AM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Mar 31 2009, 11:16 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->S Talageri comments on Sandhya Jain's article:
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Yes, I agree that lumpenism and Muslim-bashing are not what Hinduism and Hindutva are all about (I have even criticized the Gujarat anti-Muslim violence in my article in the Sita Ram Goel Commemoration volume published by Voice of India, New Delhi), some of my very best friends are Muslims
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]95954[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->So it's the missionaries and not christianism that is the problem? I mean the jihadis and not islam?
Muslims are a product of their ideology, it is not them that are the enemy (although if any terrorise, the response should be to shoot on sight) but the ideology. They are certainly dangerous, because they are the physical form given to the murderous ideology (the meme needs a body in order to murder). But it is the ideology that must be terminated. In theory, the terrorist mindvirus can be passed on in the last carrier, just as one last koran can be the long-hibernating seed for future villainy. These dangerous ideas (christoislamism) must be exposed and debunked, and the human populations must be immunised against them. Somehow.
Talageri attempts to make the impossible distinction: how it's somehow NOT islam but it's 'jihadists/islamic terrorists' that are the problem <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> (Actually, he doesn't even mention islam, only islamic terrorism - which further underscores the point.) By such logic, then, even if there were no islam there could still be jihadists...? So apparently jihadists spring up from nowhere?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And I feel that Christian proselytization and western cultural brainwashing of our Indian youth are infinitely greater dangers to India and Hinduism than Islamic terrorism, terrible and monstrous though that terrorism is. But, at the same time, the ugly face of Islamic fundamentalism and its potential dangers to India cannot be overlooked. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And again, 'christian proselytisation' is the problem. No mention of christianism (the root and sole cause thereof).
Personal stories on having many muslim best friends is not going to solve the bigger problem of how the islamic masses are sleeper cells, ticking timebomb. It is a fact. Many a Kashmiri said how their friendly islamic neighbours are the ones that hounded them out violently in the end and have taken over their homes.
Hindus like to be deceived I think. Extinction is a certainty if they don't give up such traits. ISLAM is the problem, it is the root cause of jihadism. Decent muslim neighbours and friends become jihadists because of islam.
Closing one's eyes to the real problem and inventing phantoms or symptoms to fight is not going to do anything except to perpetuate the LIE that is going to ensure the extinction of Natural Traditions.
For all Talageri's apt criticism of BJP's secular waltz, Talageri himself is but a degree removed from the same.
Say it. Christoislamism is the enemy of humanity.
There is no two ways about it. We can either roll over and die or we can recognise and admit to what the terrorist ideology is by no means concealing: that these ideologies itself are our enemy and aim to destroy us. And recognition means we can then do something about it, instead of blaming 'them missionaries, jihadists and OBL' as if christians don't become missionaries and NLFT terrorists, and as if muslims don't become jihadists. Apparently missionaries/evanjihadis and jihadis/terrorists are a separate species born of air. Such conclusions are ostrich head-in-sand manoeuvres. They will help not at all. But I've repeated myself forever on this and I'm sure everyone's at least as tired as I am to have it all over again.