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<!--QuoteBegin-dhu+Mar 31 2009, 01:51 PM-->QUOTE(dhu @ Mar 31 2009, 01:51 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, do you know the theory of rights as we know them today emerged in the Christian Church, full-blown doctrine, in a debate between the Franciscans and Dominicans, centuries beofre John Locke ever thought of rights.
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wonderful geniuses as these Europeans are, and came up with a full blown theory of human rights.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTL8eUvQGFE
[right][snapback]95957[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Wha? Now don't tell me I fell asleep and woke up to a world that's started in 'anno domini'/year '0'?
Since I may not be allowed to bring in what Dhu summarised in the christian/islamic slavery thread or the Mahabharatam stuff that Ramana mentioned there (since christowest dates MBh to 'probably' 300 'BC' to 400 'AD', will just look over the hedge - the one in Uppaganistan - into the neighbours patch).
<b>Cyrus (6th century BCE): charter of human rights.</b> 'Wonderful genius'? Admissibly. But not very 'European' if you ask me... Then again, chalking it up to the Indo-Europods may be the next attempt.
(Though there's some in the west now trying to deny that Persia has anything to do with human rights since it offends christian sensibilities.)
Anyway, from a link at Vohuman: A Zoroastrian Educational Institute:
http://www.vohuman.org/Article/The%20First...an%20Rights.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One of the significant events in ancient history is <b>the conquest of Babylon by the Persian king, Cyrus the Great.</b>
On October 4th, <b>539 BC,</b> the Persian Army entered the city of Babylon, which was then the capital of the Babylonian state (in central Iraq). This was a bloodless campaign and no prisoners were taken. Later, on November 9th, King Cyrus of Persia visited the city. Babylonian history tells us that Cyrus was greeted by the people, who spread a pathway of green twigs before him as a sign of honor and peace (sulmu). Cyrus greeted all Babylonians in peace and brought peace to their city.
<b>On this great event, Cyrus issued a declaration, inscribed on a clay barrel known as Cyrusâs inscription cylinder. It was discovered in 1879 by Hormoz Rassam in Babylon and today is kept in the British Museum. Many historians have reviewed it as the first declaration of human rights.</b>
[...]
<b>Cyrusâs Declaration</b>
"I am Cyrus, the king of the world, great king, legitimate king ⦠son of Cambyses ⦠whose rule Bel and Nebo loved and whom they wanted as king to please their hearts.
"When I entered Babylon as a friend and established the seat of government in the place of the ruler under jubilation and rejoicing, Marduk, the great lord (induced) the magnanimous inhabitants of Babylon (Din Tir) (to love me) and I daily endeavored to praise him. My numerous troops walked around in Babylon in peace, I did not allow anybody to terrorize (any of the people) of the country of Sumer and Akkad. I strove for peace in Babylon (Ka Dingir ra) and in all his (other) sacred cities. As to the inhabitants of Babylon (who) against the will of the gods (had/were ⦠I abolished) the corvee (yoke) which was against their (social standing). I brought relief to their dilapidated housing, putting an end to their main complaints. Marduk, the great lord, was well pleased with my deeds and sent friendly blessing to myself, Cyrus, the King, who reveres him, to Cambyses, my son, as well as to all my troops, and we all (praised) his great (name) joyously, standing before him in peace ⦠I returned to (these) sacred cities on the other side of the Tigris, the sanctuaries of which have been ruins for a long time, the images which (used) to live therein and established for them permanent sanctuaries. I (also) gathered all their (former) inhabitants and returned (to them) their habitations. Furthermore, I resettled upon the command of Marduk, the great lord, all the gods of Sumer and Akkad who Nabonidus has brought to Babylon (su sa na) to the anger of the lord of the gods unharmed in their chapels, the places which make them happy.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What's all this christian bragging on 'human rights'?
The sheep always lie and take credit for everything.
Another example of such christolying:
link
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Hospitals a pagan concept</b>
Church Hospitals (WLD)
In November 2000 the Sydney Morning Herald reported the Catholic Church of Australia owned not one but two of Sydney's largest hospitals, St Vincent's and the Mater.
Not bad for an organisation that <b>once vehemently opposed the development of medicines and medical care on the grounds they were deemed, "against God."</b>
<b>Ellen Ellerbe in The Dark Side Of Christianity [1995]</b> says that when the Black Plague swept Europe in the sixth century, claiming an estimated 100 million lives, theologians dismissed it as God's punishment for not obeying the church.
<b>The field of medicine, as developed by the Greeks and Romans, she says, was considered "heretical."</b>
"After the plague, the church dominated the formal discipline of medicine. The most common medical practice between the sixth and sixteenth centuries used for every malady became 'bleeding.'
"Christian monks taught that bleeding a person would prevent toxic imbalances, prevent sexual desire, and restore the humours.
"By the sixteenth century this practice would kill tens of thousands each year. Yet, when a person died during blood-letting, it was only lamented that treatment had not been started sooner and performed more aggressively."
US writer Rupert Hughes [1872-1956] said Christianity often takes credit for introducing medical treatment.
"[Yet] Christian ministers fought quinine, anaesthetics, education, the kindly treatment of the insane, and practically every other form of progressive mercy," he said.
<b>Recently a high-profile Christian evangelist said on Australian radio that the church introduced the idea of hospitals.</b>
<b>Yet history clearly tells us hospitals existed some two hundred and fifty years before Christ came to earth.
In fact it was one of Buddhism's most celebrated ancient rulers, King Asoka [291-232 BC], who founded the first hospitals and medical centres in India.
Asoka also established nurseries for the cultivation of medicinal plants and sent missionaries as far north as Persia to teach healthcare.</b>
How ironic that some of today's largest hospitals are owned by the very Christian organisations that once condemned healthcare as "pagan" and "heretical."
But as most secular people know, if there is a buck to be made, you can be sure the church will be there grasping for it ...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
On the matter of Ashoka, while Indians and definitely IF knows (but apparently christowest doesn't): he didn't just have human hospitals, he had veterinary hospitals. More than just "human rights": animal rights.
mobile wackipedia on the history of "Veterinary medicine":
wapedia.mobi/en/Veterinary
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A pillar in Vaishali, India, displaying edicts of Emperor Asoka (272â231 BCE); the pillar records King Asoka building hospitals for both humans and animals.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-dhu+Mar 31 2009, 01:51 PM-->QUOTE(dhu @ Mar 31 2009, 01:51 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, do you know the theory of rights as we know them today emerged in the Christian Church, full-blown doctrine, in a debate between the Franciscans and Dominicans, centuries beofre John Locke ever thought of rights.
...
wonderful geniuses as these Europeans are, and came up with a full blown theory of human rights.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTL8eUvQGFE
[right][snapback]95957[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Wha? Now don't tell me I fell asleep and woke up to a world that's started in 'anno domini'/year '0'?
Since I may not be allowed to bring in what Dhu summarised in the christian/islamic slavery thread or the Mahabharatam stuff that Ramana mentioned there (since christowest dates MBh to 'probably' 300 'BC' to 400 'AD', will just look over the hedge - the one in Uppaganistan - into the neighbours patch).
<b>Cyrus (6th century BCE): charter of human rights.</b> 'Wonderful genius'? Admissibly. But not very 'European' if you ask me... Then again, chalking it up to the Indo-Europods may be the next attempt.
(Though there's some in the west now trying to deny that Persia has anything to do with human rights since it offends christian sensibilities.)
Anyway, from a link at Vohuman: A Zoroastrian Educational Institute:
http://www.vohuman.org/Article/The%20First...an%20Rights.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One of the significant events in ancient history is <b>the conquest of Babylon by the Persian king, Cyrus the Great.</b>
On October 4th, <b>539 BC,</b> the Persian Army entered the city of Babylon, which was then the capital of the Babylonian state (in central Iraq). This was a bloodless campaign and no prisoners were taken. Later, on November 9th, King Cyrus of Persia visited the city. Babylonian history tells us that Cyrus was greeted by the people, who spread a pathway of green twigs before him as a sign of honor and peace (sulmu). Cyrus greeted all Babylonians in peace and brought peace to their city.
<b>On this great event, Cyrus issued a declaration, inscribed on a clay barrel known as Cyrusâs inscription cylinder. It was discovered in 1879 by Hormoz Rassam in Babylon and today is kept in the British Museum. Many historians have reviewed it as the first declaration of human rights.</b>
[...]
<b>Cyrusâs Declaration</b>
"I am Cyrus, the king of the world, great king, legitimate king ⦠son of Cambyses ⦠whose rule Bel and Nebo loved and whom they wanted as king to please their hearts.
"When I entered Babylon as a friend and established the seat of government in the place of the ruler under jubilation and rejoicing, Marduk, the great lord (induced) the magnanimous inhabitants of Babylon (Din Tir) (to love me) and I daily endeavored to praise him. My numerous troops walked around in Babylon in peace, I did not allow anybody to terrorize (any of the people) of the country of Sumer and Akkad. I strove for peace in Babylon (Ka Dingir ra) and in all his (other) sacred cities. As to the inhabitants of Babylon (who) against the will of the gods (had/were ⦠I abolished) the corvee (yoke) which was against their (social standing). I brought relief to their dilapidated housing, putting an end to their main complaints. Marduk, the great lord, was well pleased with my deeds and sent friendly blessing to myself, Cyrus, the King, who reveres him, to Cambyses, my son, as well as to all my troops, and we all (praised) his great (name) joyously, standing before him in peace ⦠I returned to (these) sacred cities on the other side of the Tigris, the sanctuaries of which have been ruins for a long time, the images which (used) to live therein and established for them permanent sanctuaries. I (also) gathered all their (former) inhabitants and returned (to them) their habitations. Furthermore, I resettled upon the command of Marduk, the great lord, all the gods of Sumer and Akkad who Nabonidus has brought to Babylon (su sa na) to the anger of the lord of the gods unharmed in their chapels, the places which make them happy.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What's all this christian bragging on 'human rights'?
The sheep always lie and take credit for everything.
Another example of such christolying:
link
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Hospitals a pagan concept</b>
Church Hospitals (WLD)
In November 2000 the Sydney Morning Herald reported the Catholic Church of Australia owned not one but two of Sydney's largest hospitals, St Vincent's and the Mater.
Not bad for an organisation that <b>once vehemently opposed the development of medicines and medical care on the grounds they were deemed, "against God."</b>
<b>Ellen Ellerbe in The Dark Side Of Christianity [1995]</b> says that when the Black Plague swept Europe in the sixth century, claiming an estimated 100 million lives, theologians dismissed it as God's punishment for not obeying the church.
<b>The field of medicine, as developed by the Greeks and Romans, she says, was considered "heretical."</b>
"After the plague, the church dominated the formal discipline of medicine. The most common medical practice between the sixth and sixteenth centuries used for every malady became 'bleeding.'
"Christian monks taught that bleeding a person would prevent toxic imbalances, prevent sexual desire, and restore the humours.
"By the sixteenth century this practice would kill tens of thousands each year. Yet, when a person died during blood-letting, it was only lamented that treatment had not been started sooner and performed more aggressively."
US writer Rupert Hughes [1872-1956] said Christianity often takes credit for introducing medical treatment.
"[Yet] Christian ministers fought quinine, anaesthetics, education, the kindly treatment of the insane, and practically every other form of progressive mercy," he said.
<b>Recently a high-profile Christian evangelist said on Australian radio that the church introduced the idea of hospitals.</b>
<b>Yet history clearly tells us hospitals existed some two hundred and fifty years before Christ came to earth.
In fact it was one of Buddhism's most celebrated ancient rulers, King Asoka [291-232 BC], who founded the first hospitals and medical centres in India.
Asoka also established nurseries for the cultivation of medicinal plants and sent missionaries as far north as Persia to teach healthcare.</b>
How ironic that some of today's largest hospitals are owned by the very Christian organisations that once condemned healthcare as "pagan" and "heretical."
But as most secular people know, if there is a buck to be made, you can be sure the church will be there grasping for it ...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
On the matter of Ashoka, while Indians and definitely IF knows (but apparently christowest doesn't): he didn't just have human hospitals, he had veterinary hospitals. More than just "human rights": animal rights.
mobile wackipedia on the history of "Veterinary medicine":
wapedia.mobi/en/Veterinary
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A pillar in Vaishali, India, displaying edicts of Emperor Asoka (272â231 BCE); the pillar records King Asoka building hospitals for both humans and animals.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->