About the following in the previous post:
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Apr 6 2009, 05:48 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Apr 6 2009, 05:48 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->2. http://web.archive.org/web/20080115233455/....line/vat13.htm
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REPORT ON CALVI AUTOPSY RETURNS SPOTLIGHT TO VATICAN BANK SCANDAL</b>
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  In Italy, a likely member of P-2 was <b>Cardinal Paolo Bertoli</b>, an official with the church's diplomatic corps. It was Bertoli who introduced Liccio Gelli to the head of the Vatican Bank, Paul Marcinkus. Another entree for both Gelli and Calvi into the Vatican was Italian lawyer and businessman Umberto Ortolani, who in WWII served in the intelligence corps. Ortolani, another P-2 member, was also a enrolled in the Catholic <b>Knights of Malta</b> -- a group which included leading American and European business and intelligence community leaders -- and was elevated by Pope Paul VI to the official status of "Gentleman of His Holiness" within the Holy See.
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3. http://web.archive.org/web/20080214164536/...line/calvi5.htm
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 Gelli, like Sindona, enjoyed unprecedented access to the Vatican thanks to his close friendship with Cardinal Paolo Bertoli of the Holy See's Diplomatic Corps. Bertoli is known to have introduced Gelli to Paul Marcinkus. Another close associate and member of this "Gang of Four" was Umberrto Ortolani, a former OVRA Intelligence Officer and co-patron for Calvi while he was moving up in the Banco Ambrosiano. Ortolani was also tied to <b>a secretive Roman Catholic order known as the Knights of Malta</b>, and was elevated by Pope Paul VI to the status of "Gentleman of his Holiness." He also sponsored Liccio Gelli for membership in the <b>Knights of Malta</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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The catholic church has many little bands of faithful who give them deniability while carrying out their more messy operations.
The Knights of Malta mentioned above are yet another of their nazi and fascist (and anti-semitic, of course) catholic gang of terrorists, a la Opus Dei:
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Jan 15 2009, 06:41 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Jan 15 2009, 06:41 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJu...odAmericans.pdf
<b>Good Americans by John Judge, 1983</b>
A document about the German Nazis, the earlier oryanists, taken by the US after world war II (and who were soon after happily working in the CIA and other official US depts).
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A group of the most fanatically conservative elements of the Catholic Church, men who still supported the inquisition in Spain and who used flagellation as prayer, formed a lay order known as <b>Opus Dei, the Works of God.[4]</b> These were joined in rank by the ancient military order of the church <b>â the secretive Knights Hospitallers, or the Knights of Malta.</b> [ 5 ] Their ultimate objective was the downfall of the new Soviet government. No method or means was too extreme, <b>so these forces backed and helped to create Franco in Spain, Mussolini in Italy, and Hitler in Germany.</b> Some of the U.S. firms continued their financial trade and support of the fascists throuphout all of World War II, with Russia as the target.[6]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]93227[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's always interesting to note how effective the catholic church's PR and info suppression is. In India you still have Hindus saying that the evanjehadis (fundamentalist christians) are supposedly the real threat to Bharatam and not the catholic church. Uhhh, No. The catholic church has made it a commonplace in its history to pull down governments and convert nations. And it has gruesome ways of doing it which it will not shrink from employing if and when it possibly can. Sure the evanjehadis are terrorists (all of christianism is). But the catholic church has made a science of it. The catholic church is at least as scary as islamic jihad and actually more likely to be successful and get away with absolutely everything. Unlike islamic jihad, it actually plans its moves in advance. It occasionally gambles and loses (like when it fully backed and actually helped construct nazism/fascism in WWII, and now it does everything to cover up this history. Whereas, had it won, it would be applying its nazi success story everywhere). Usually, it makes sure it wins.
Hindus ought to remember that in Bharatam, between 75%-80% of the christian sheep are catholics. All sleepers. Their first loyalty is to the pope. In fact, in this world, their *sole* loyalty is to the pope and then his representatives. This is A RULE. (Only NL catholics are not necessarily loyal to the pope, since they basically got collectively condemned by the vatican for supporting the Dutch protestants against the oppressive catholic Spanish invaders in the 80 Year War. The Dutch who sided with the pope are the Belgians and they think the NL Dutch are damned forevahhhh. Another exception seems to be Chinese catholics whom the communist Chinese govt wisely does not allow to have the pope/vatican as its ultimate head.)
Anyway, Indian catholics are loyal to the pope/Vatican above all else in the world. He is gawd's representative on earth for them. They will *never* be loyal to Bharatam first. It is against their religion to expect them to disobey the pope on any Indian matters that go contrary to the vatican - because hellfire threatens them for not obeying the 'vicar of christ'/pope (as the bishop of Rome now calls itself). Only heretic catholics would do such a thing (Hilda Raja is an example; actually she's a heretic christian and had she lived in Europe a few centuries back the inquisition would have burnt her. Since the church no longer commands supreme power, in this psecular age, such people have been allowed/able to survive. But they do not represent catholicism; they don't represent christianism either.)
For Hindus to expect catholic christians in India to behave otherwise shows either ignorance of catholicism or a foolish naivete that goes contrary to all facts. Catholics of England were loyal to the pope and were going to retake the heretical protestant country for the catholic church (hence the Gunpowder Plot saga). Catholics of WWII Yugoslavia, Catholics of Ukraine and Russia today. All are catholic first and hence loyal to the pope first.
All of the Dharmic subcontinent has more to fear of catholicism than of other christianisms. While other christianisms are certainly violent and genocidal, they are not as ruthlessly successful as catholicism. It has more chance to succeed, and ultimately it is more determined: it will wait for centuries if that's what it takes, and it will still try to re-implement its plans.
This is not a threat. It is not a conspiracy theory of course. And it's not a scare-story either. It is just the plain simple fact of the catholic church. (Just like individual born-again fundies are convinced they are right and go to any lengths to missionise=terrorise - it does not matter to them whether they lie, kill, breakup families or literally genocide communities - the catholic church's mindset is exactly the same. Except that, instead of being an individual, they are an institution. A monolith. And instead of having the short lifespan of an individual evanjehadi or the rather brief existence of born-again orgs, the catholic church's objective is over 1.5 millennia old, and acts with a singleminded purpose.) Can read the ex-Franciscan monk Joseph McCabe or even people like Baron Avro Manhattan for confirmation (and they have more to say on this). For example: for centuries the Vatican planned to take Orthodox Russia or bring it down. The intention is still on the cards, and just as high up on the implementation agenda and just as important for the Roman church as ever. It will keep trying until 1. It succeeds; OR 2. Christianism/catholicism no longer exists.
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Apr 6 2009, 05:48 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Apr 6 2009, 05:48 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->2. http://web.archive.org/web/20080115233455/....line/vat13.htm
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b> FLASHLINE
REPORT ON CALVI AUTOPSY RETURNS SPOTLIGHT TO VATICAN BANK SCANDAL</b>
[...]
  In Italy, a likely member of P-2 was <b>Cardinal Paolo Bertoli</b>, an official with the church's diplomatic corps. It was Bertoli who introduced Liccio Gelli to the head of the Vatican Bank, Paul Marcinkus. Another entree for both Gelli and Calvi into the Vatican was Italian lawyer and businessman Umberto Ortolani, who in WWII served in the intelligence corps. Ortolani, another P-2 member, was also a enrolled in the Catholic <b>Knights of Malta</b> -- a group which included leading American and European business and intelligence community leaders -- and was elevated by Pope Paul VI to the official status of "Gentleman of His Holiness" within the Holy See.
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3. http://web.archive.org/web/20080214164536/...line/calvi5.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>"GOD'S BANKER" MURDER TRIAL BEGINS: COULD EXPOSE VATICAN FINANCIAL SCHEMES, RAISE QUESTIONS OVER DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY, RECOGNITION</b>
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 Gelli, like Sindona, enjoyed unprecedented access to the Vatican thanks to his close friendship with Cardinal Paolo Bertoli of the Holy See's Diplomatic Corps. Bertoli is known to have introduced Gelli to Paul Marcinkus. Another close associate and member of this "Gang of Four" was Umberrto Ortolani, a former OVRA Intelligence Officer and co-patron for Calvi while he was moving up in the Banco Ambrosiano. Ortolani was also tied to <b>a secretive Roman Catholic order known as the Knights of Malta</b>, and was elevated by Pope Paul VI to the status of "Gentleman of his Holiness." He also sponsored Liccio Gelli for membership in the <b>Knights of Malta</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
[right][snapback]96152[/snapback][/right]
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The catholic church has many little bands of faithful who give them deniability while carrying out their more messy operations.
The Knights of Malta mentioned above are yet another of their nazi and fascist (and anti-semitic, of course) catholic gang of terrorists, a la Opus Dei:
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Jan 15 2009, 06:41 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Jan 15 2009, 06:41 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJu...odAmericans.pdf
<b>Good Americans by John Judge, 1983</b>
A document about the German Nazis, the earlier oryanists, taken by the US after world war II (and who were soon after happily working in the CIA and other official US depts).
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A group of the most fanatically conservative elements of the Catholic Church, men who still supported the inquisition in Spain and who used flagellation as prayer, formed a lay order known as <b>Opus Dei, the Works of God.[4]</b> These were joined in rank by the ancient military order of the church <b>â the secretive Knights Hospitallers, or the Knights of Malta.</b> [ 5 ] Their ultimate objective was the downfall of the new Soviet government. No method or means was too extreme, <b>so these forces backed and helped to create Franco in Spain, Mussolini in Italy, and Hitler in Germany.</b> Some of the U.S. firms continued their financial trade and support of the fascists throuphout all of World War II, with Russia as the target.[6]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]93227[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's always interesting to note how effective the catholic church's PR and info suppression is. In India you still have Hindus saying that the evanjehadis (fundamentalist christians) are supposedly the real threat to Bharatam and not the catholic church. Uhhh, No. The catholic church has made it a commonplace in its history to pull down governments and convert nations. And it has gruesome ways of doing it which it will not shrink from employing if and when it possibly can. Sure the evanjehadis are terrorists (all of christianism is). But the catholic church has made a science of it. The catholic church is at least as scary as islamic jihad and actually more likely to be successful and get away with absolutely everything. Unlike islamic jihad, it actually plans its moves in advance. It occasionally gambles and loses (like when it fully backed and actually helped construct nazism/fascism in WWII, and now it does everything to cover up this history. Whereas, had it won, it would be applying its nazi success story everywhere). Usually, it makes sure it wins.
Hindus ought to remember that in Bharatam, between 75%-80% of the christian sheep are catholics. All sleepers. Their first loyalty is to the pope. In fact, in this world, their *sole* loyalty is to the pope and then his representatives. This is A RULE. (Only NL catholics are not necessarily loyal to the pope, since they basically got collectively condemned by the vatican for supporting the Dutch protestants against the oppressive catholic Spanish invaders in the 80 Year War. The Dutch who sided with the pope are the Belgians and they think the NL Dutch are damned forevahhhh. Another exception seems to be Chinese catholics whom the communist Chinese govt wisely does not allow to have the pope/vatican as its ultimate head.)
Anyway, Indian catholics are loyal to the pope/Vatican above all else in the world. He is gawd's representative on earth for them. They will *never* be loyal to Bharatam first. It is against their religion to expect them to disobey the pope on any Indian matters that go contrary to the vatican - because hellfire threatens them for not obeying the 'vicar of christ'/pope (as the bishop of Rome now calls itself). Only heretic catholics would do such a thing (Hilda Raja is an example; actually she's a heretic christian and had she lived in Europe a few centuries back the inquisition would have burnt her. Since the church no longer commands supreme power, in this psecular age, such people have been allowed/able to survive. But they do not represent catholicism; they don't represent christianism either.)
For Hindus to expect catholic christians in India to behave otherwise shows either ignorance of catholicism or a foolish naivete that goes contrary to all facts. Catholics of England were loyal to the pope and were going to retake the heretical protestant country for the catholic church (hence the Gunpowder Plot saga). Catholics of WWII Yugoslavia, Catholics of Ukraine and Russia today. All are catholic first and hence loyal to the pope first.
All of the Dharmic subcontinent has more to fear of catholicism than of other christianisms. While other christianisms are certainly violent and genocidal, they are not as ruthlessly successful as catholicism. It has more chance to succeed, and ultimately it is more determined: it will wait for centuries if that's what it takes, and it will still try to re-implement its plans.
This is not a threat. It is not a conspiracy theory of course. And it's not a scare-story either. It is just the plain simple fact of the catholic church. (Just like individual born-again fundies are convinced they are right and go to any lengths to missionise=terrorise - it does not matter to them whether they lie, kill, breakup families or literally genocide communities - the catholic church's mindset is exactly the same. Except that, instead of being an individual, they are an institution. A monolith. And instead of having the short lifespan of an individual evanjehadi or the rather brief existence of born-again orgs, the catholic church's objective is over 1.5 millennia old, and acts with a singleminded purpose.) Can read the ex-Franciscan monk Joseph McCabe or even people like Baron Avro Manhattan for confirmation (and they have more to say on this). For example: for centuries the Vatican planned to take Orthodox Russia or bring it down. The intention is still on the cards, and just as high up on the implementation agenda and just as important for the Roman church as ever. It will keep trying until 1. It succeeds; OR 2. Christianism/catholicism no longer exists.