<!--QuoteBegin-brihaspati+Apr 9 2009, 04:52 AM-->QUOTE(brihaspati @ Apr 9 2009, 04:52 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Thanks to both acharyaji and dhu-ji,
Gone through those threads and links today. Quite fascinating. My interests stems from a much earlier observation of mine about a 30 year cycle in Indian history. Start at 1977, and go back in steps of 30 years - I have gone up to right around Bimbisara. All those years are significant and have certain longer cyclical patterns - a 90 year cycle of retuen of similar situations.
My knowledge of astronomy says that the 30 year cycle comes closest to that of Saturn - which is however approx 29.5 years. Checking astronomical software that I have, I found that the 30 year peaks appear to coincide with the apparent presenceof Saturn in Cancer .
Now if I combine Jupiter with it, the LCM gives 60 years - which would be two 30 year cycles, but not getting the 90 years.
Just look at the first few cycles though and go back as much as you can - 1977,1947,1917,1887,1857,1827,1797,1767,1737,1707,1677,1647,1617,1587, 1557,1527,1497,1467,1437,....
90 year cycles - 1947,1857,1767,1677,...
In my scheme, I would see 2007 as similar to 1917. An apparently dud year, but Gandhiji is starting out after arriving two years earlier, and Jalianwallhbag is waiting to happen. This would gear me to think of 2037 as of similar order to 1947 when "old order changeth, yielding place to new". I am an empiricist here and would like to explore this with an open mind - neither believing nor disbelieving. Please let me know what you find as support or not about these cycles. I could be missing out on facts.
The propaganda machinery is failing perhaps because there is no longer any great "purpose" driving the "west". No colonization, no search for wealth, no great goal or superaim that transcends "ordinary" existence. Even most of the "freedoms" have been obtained - what is left to fight for!
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Your logic is correct.
You have observed correctly and you have to go to Jyothish/Astrology to explain some of this. It is very logical. I have been studying this for several years.
Good place to check out some articles.
http://www.journalofastrology.com/articl...egory_id=1
Saturn takes 30 years for one cycle. 12 Rashis in the chart and Saturn takes 2.5 years for each chart and comes back to it after 30 years.
Leo-Simha- Sign of leadership is the most important sign/rashi and it signifies leadership in countries and anything related to it.
Saturn right now is in Leo sign for the last 2 years from Aug 2007 and moves to Virgo in Sept 2009/
This means that the leadership will undergo change - old leadership will fall out of favour and a new leadership will emerge. Old leadership will lose its credibility and that is what we are seeing world wide.
Bush and company removed/ and similar changes in India too.
60 years anniversary is celebrated since it coincides with Guru and Shani. In jyotish is signifies double impact of Shani and second cycle and new life.
2007, 1977, 1947 are all similar. Replacement of leadership of the country and also due to revolution from previous 2 years. Revolution occurs when the saturn is in Cancer sign. That occurs in the previous 3 years before saturn reaches Leo sign.
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In my scheme, I would see 2007 as similar to 1917. An apparently dud year, but Gandhiji is starting out after arriving two years earlier, and Jalianwallhbag is waiting to happen. This would gear me to think of 2037 as of similar order to 1947 when "old order changeth, yielding place to new". </b>
Gandhiji was the new leadership who was coming inside the INC leadership in 1915.(Saturn in Cancer Aug 1916 - Sept 1918) It is a revolution. Also WWI in Europe.
When Saturn entered Leo - Oct 1918-Nov 1920 -
Jalianwallhbag occured and the new leadership under Gandhiji took over INC to take on Purna Swaraj.
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This would gear me to think of 2037 as of similar order to 1947 when "old order changeth, yielding place to new".
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Saturn will enter Cancer in Aug 2034 till Sept 2036.
This period will see major changes with Pak and India. Pak will realise its 90 years struggle against India is not yeilding and the population will see the benefit of merging or economic union with India. <span style='color:red'><b>IN 2037 PAKISTAN and ITS PEOPLE will OFFICIALLY END THE JIHAD AGAINST INDIA which was started in Aug 14 1947</b></span>
Saturn will enter Leo in Oct 2036 till Nov 2038- Leadership Change
INDIA will also see changes and a new leadership looking at global role with the entire subcontinent as its base will emerge.
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Just look at the first few cycles though and go back as much as you can - 1977,1947,1917,1887,1857,1827,1797,1767,1737,1707,1677,1647,1617,1587, 1557,1527,1497,1467,1437,....
90 year cycles - 1947,1857,1767,1677,...</b>
All these years are the years when saturn was in the same sign - Simha Rashi
All these period resulted in the change of Leadership across the world
Gone through those threads and links today. Quite fascinating. My interests stems from a much earlier observation of mine about a 30 year cycle in Indian history. Start at 1977, and go back in steps of 30 years - I have gone up to right around Bimbisara. All those years are significant and have certain longer cyclical patterns - a 90 year cycle of retuen of similar situations.
My knowledge of astronomy says that the 30 year cycle comes closest to that of Saturn - which is however approx 29.5 years. Checking astronomical software that I have, I found that the 30 year peaks appear to coincide with the apparent presenceof Saturn in Cancer .
Now if I combine Jupiter with it, the LCM gives 60 years - which would be two 30 year cycles, but not getting the 90 years.
Just look at the first few cycles though and go back as much as you can - 1977,1947,1917,1887,1857,1827,1797,1767,1737,1707,1677,1647,1617,1587, 1557,1527,1497,1467,1437,....
90 year cycles - 1947,1857,1767,1677,...
In my scheme, I would see 2007 as similar to 1917. An apparently dud year, but Gandhiji is starting out after arriving two years earlier, and Jalianwallhbag is waiting to happen. This would gear me to think of 2037 as of similar order to 1947 when "old order changeth, yielding place to new". I am an empiricist here and would like to explore this with an open mind - neither believing nor disbelieving. Please let me know what you find as support or not about these cycles. I could be missing out on facts.
The propaganda machinery is failing perhaps because there is no longer any great "purpose" driving the "west". No colonization, no search for wealth, no great goal or superaim that transcends "ordinary" existence. Even most of the "freedoms" have been obtained - what is left to fight for!
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Your logic is correct.
You have observed correctly and you have to go to Jyothish/Astrology to explain some of this. It is very logical. I have been studying this for several years.
Good place to check out some articles.
http://www.journalofastrology.com/articl...egory_id=1
Saturn takes 30 years for one cycle. 12 Rashis in the chart and Saturn takes 2.5 years for each chart and comes back to it after 30 years.
Leo-Simha- Sign of leadership is the most important sign/rashi and it signifies leadership in countries and anything related to it.
Saturn right now is in Leo sign for the last 2 years from Aug 2007 and moves to Virgo in Sept 2009/
This means that the leadership will undergo change - old leadership will fall out of favour and a new leadership will emerge. Old leadership will lose its credibility and that is what we are seeing world wide.
Bush and company removed/ and similar changes in India too.
60 years anniversary is celebrated since it coincides with Guru and Shani. In jyotish is signifies double impact of Shani and second cycle and new life.
2007, 1977, 1947 are all similar. Replacement of leadership of the country and also due to revolution from previous 2 years. Revolution occurs when the saturn is in Cancer sign. That occurs in the previous 3 years before saturn reaches Leo sign.
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In my scheme, I would see 2007 as similar to 1917. An apparently dud year, but Gandhiji is starting out after arriving two years earlier, and Jalianwallhbag is waiting to happen. This would gear me to think of 2037 as of similar order to 1947 when "old order changeth, yielding place to new". </b>
Gandhiji was the new leadership who was coming inside the INC leadership in 1915.(Saturn in Cancer Aug 1916 - Sept 1918) It is a revolution. Also WWI in Europe.
When Saturn entered Leo - Oct 1918-Nov 1920 -
Jalianwallhbag occured and the new leadership under Gandhiji took over INC to take on Purna Swaraj.
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This would gear me to think of 2037 as of similar order to 1947 when "old order changeth, yielding place to new".
</b>
Saturn will enter Cancer in Aug 2034 till Sept 2036.
This period will see major changes with Pak and India. Pak will realise its 90 years struggle against India is not yeilding and the population will see the benefit of merging or economic union with India. <span style='color:red'><b>IN 2037 PAKISTAN and ITS PEOPLE will OFFICIALLY END THE JIHAD AGAINST INDIA which was started in Aug 14 1947</b></span>
Saturn will enter Leo in Oct 2036 till Nov 2038- Leadership Change
INDIA will also see changes and a new leadership looking at global role with the entire subcontinent as its base will emerge.
<b>
Just look at the first few cycles though and go back as much as you can - 1977,1947,1917,1887,1857,1827,1797,1767,1737,1707,1677,1647,1617,1587, 1557,1527,1497,1467,1437,....
90 year cycles - 1947,1857,1767,1677,...</b>
All these years are the years when saturn was in the same sign - Simha Rashi
All these period resulted in the change of Leadership across the world