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<!--QuoteBegin-dhu+May 11 2009, 07:49 PM-->QUOTE(dhu @ May 11 2009, 07:49 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Given Syrian (linguistic, caliphate) connection of the Koran and the similarity of Islamic theology to Arianism (and Nestorianism?), Islam is most likely a Christian project. Our task should be to connect the theology to political propaganda. Member G. Subramaniam has made the point that the political orientation of Islam seems to be towards the East (Hind as female in the Koran) - and that Mohammad himself declares India as a primary target.[right][snapback]97153[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Tangential. There were (are?) discussions on Greek and Russian sites/fora on a long-standing orthodox conviction that islam is a catholic conspiracy meant to pull down Eastern Orthodoxy. (They hold that islamism was a dark ages/medieval strategy against orthodox Byzantium, and that communism was a similar strategy against orthodox Tsarist Russia.)
IIRC, they certainly made a case for islamism being a (western) christian concoction. But the target being (solely) orthodoxy didn't seem as clear.
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Likewise, Buddhist and Hindu Asia is similarly a victim of western-christian directed communism; it's not been just orthodox Russia, Ukraine, etcetera, that have been on the receiving end of communism and been dismantled by it.
Of course both islamism and communism are powder kegs and can explode anywhere: can sting anyone. That's why when either islamism or communism gets too close to the western christian empire and looks to cut or swallow it as well, that one sees the classic western christian reaction of the Vatican and 'secular' western christian powers: genocidal mayhem. Hence the Crusades against islamism in the middle ages, and the conscious mounting of Nazism by christianism+Vatican as modern-day crusaders against the 'communist' Slavs. Note: not against the catholic nation of Slovakian Slavs since Slovakia's catholic head Tiso was a nazi and axis man. Slovakia was under nazi=western christian rule, hence it was immune to the anti-Slav bile being spewed by christonazi ideology.
Croats used to once be classed as Slavs as well, but the western-christian - particularly catholic - enmity towards the Orthodox Slavic Serbs meant catholicism resorted to its usual drivel of inventing a racial identity for the Croats that was utterly separate from the Slavic Serbs. Some christo nazi bishop in Croatia made up a non-Slavic, Gothic for the Croats instead for contrast. (Back in the nazi decades, Slavs were particularly NOT Oryans. Whereas today they are the 'original Oryans'. Similarly, today the claim is that Croats were Oryans from Afghanistan because Hrvat is identified with Harahvaiti; and the Afghan origin is as fervently believed in circles as their Gothic ancestry was during the nazi era. Tomorrow the origin story invented for the victimised Croatians will be different again.)
http://freetruth.50webs.org/A7c.htm#Supp...tatorships
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Â Â Â Â Having lost its "strongest bulwark" [Austria] with the end of the first World War, the Vatican turned to Mussolini and fascist Italy to defend it and its long range goals. Likewise, the Vatican threw its support behind Mussolini's imperialist ambitions for fascist Italy. ... Why did Hitler create two independent clerical-fascist states which considered themselves vassals of the papacy? The answer to this question explains why historians hardly ever mention Slovakia and Croatia in their discussions of World War II or the Holocaust: because the Vatican was a silent partner in the Axis alliance, as well as in the Holocaust.
  -- What is the Vatican Hiding, Barry Lituchy http://freetruth.50webs.org/Appendix4.htm
Besides Nazism in Germany, Italy and Croatia there are a number of other European countries that suffered markedly under the fascist tyranny of Catholics: Spain under ruthless fascist Catholic dictator Franco and Slovakia under the priest Tiso.
  Catholicism had links to government organizations, right-wing nationalism, including Fascism and Nazism. Moreover, most every right-wing dictator of the period had been brought up a Catholic: Hitler, Horthy, Franco, Petain, Mussoline, Pavelic, and Tiso (who has served as a Catholic priest).
From: Christianity in Europe during WWII http://www.nobeliefs.com/ChurchesWWII.htm#anchor2b
Contrary to their claims today, the fascist regimes in Europe from the 1920's to the 1940's had been widely supported by the majority of Christians, including the Nazi rule in Germany. Other examples were the Italian Fascism under Mussolini, the rule of Spanish Catholic dictator Franco (and a similar one in Portugal), the Clerofascist rule of Tiso in Slovakia, and the war-born Ustasha regime in Croatia, a part of Yugoslavia.
From: The Christian Horror Picture Show
http://www.geocities.com/iconoclastes.geo/nazi.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, one can see the hand of catholicism/western christianism manipulating islamism again in a small way: Arch-catholic Danny Boyle's slummovie "slumdog millionaire".
There's also the far more organised christian rule in Bharatam trying to give full power to islamania in order to destroy the Hindu nature of the country. And giving communism and islamism a free hand in Nepal (in order to weaken it and infiltrate christianism as is being done).
C.S. Lewis - the catholic who originally started off irreligious, but after his conversion wrote the usual bad christian apologetics like "Mere christianism" etcetera - wrote how islamism was "only a christian heresy" or "only the greatest of christian heresies". I can't remember the exact wording. Web search it.
As an aside, The Clash of Civilisations of islam vs christian west was already illustrated in the final book of C.S. Lewis' Narnia series. aptly titled "The Last Battle", it describes how the world containing Narnia is destroyed upon a battle between the (white, obviously western christian) Narnians and the (dark and turbanned, obviously islamic) evil Tash-worshipping Calormenes, whose ruling elite are called Tarkaans and are an obvious amalgamation of all islamic dynasties from Arabia to Turkey to Iran and Afghanistan to the Mooghals. Place names include Tashbaan. Lots of islamic customs including slaves, and 'islamic culture' (some of it actually Persian such as litters to carry people), etcetera.
Anyway, in The Last Battle, the "dark eastern islamic Calormenes" (Colourmeanies) invade Narnia through cunning and by working with some devious atheistic Narnian animals and overcome the "white christian Narnians". Narnia is lost, the entire world in which it rests is destroyed. And then there's a chapter on 'heaven' and jeebusjehovallah.
The book was also arguing about how Tash (allah) is not Aslan (jeebus), but that this was all confusion sown by the 'deplorable and devious wicked' (aka atheists and by extension liberals and multiculturalists).
Like The Last Battle is actually against islamism, the previous book in the series, "The Silver Chair", is almost entirely directed against atheism.
"The Last Battle" also argues against atheism but focuses more on the 'modern secular conceit' of equating and giving equal value to christianism with islamism and hence the 'ultimate price of multiculturalism'.
<!--QuoteBegin-dhu+May 11 2009, 07:49 PM-->QUOTE(dhu @ May 11 2009, 07:49 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Given Syrian (linguistic, caliphate) connection of the Koran and the similarity of Islamic theology to Arianism (and Nestorianism?), Islam is most likely a Christian project. Our task should be to connect the theology to political propaganda. Member G. Subramaniam has made the point that the political orientation of Islam seems to be towards the East (Hind as female in the Koran) - and that Mohammad himself declares India as a primary target.[right][snapback]97153[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Tangential. There were (are?) discussions on Greek and Russian sites/fora on a long-standing orthodox conviction that islam is a catholic conspiracy meant to pull down Eastern Orthodoxy. (They hold that islamism was a dark ages/medieval strategy against orthodox Byzantium, and that communism was a similar strategy against orthodox Tsarist Russia.)
IIRC, they certainly made a case for islamism being a (western) christian concoction. But the target being (solely) orthodoxy didn't seem as clear.
<b>ADDED:</b>
Likewise, Buddhist and Hindu Asia is similarly a victim of western-christian directed communism; it's not been just orthodox Russia, Ukraine, etcetera, that have been on the receiving end of communism and been dismantled by it.
Of course both islamism and communism are powder kegs and can explode anywhere: can sting anyone. That's why when either islamism or communism gets too close to the western christian empire and looks to cut or swallow it as well, that one sees the classic western christian reaction of the Vatican and 'secular' western christian powers: genocidal mayhem. Hence the Crusades against islamism in the middle ages, and the conscious mounting of Nazism by christianism+Vatican as modern-day crusaders against the 'communist' Slavs. Note: not against the catholic nation of Slovakian Slavs since Slovakia's catholic head Tiso was a nazi and axis man. Slovakia was under nazi=western christian rule, hence it was immune to the anti-Slav bile being spewed by christonazi ideology.
Croats used to once be classed as Slavs as well, but the western-christian - particularly catholic - enmity towards the Orthodox Slavic Serbs meant catholicism resorted to its usual drivel of inventing a racial identity for the Croats that was utterly separate from the Slavic Serbs. Some christo nazi bishop in Croatia made up a non-Slavic, Gothic for the Croats instead for contrast. (Back in the nazi decades, Slavs were particularly NOT Oryans. Whereas today they are the 'original Oryans'. Similarly, today the claim is that Croats were Oryans from Afghanistan because Hrvat is identified with Harahvaiti; and the Afghan origin is as fervently believed in circles as their Gothic ancestry was during the nazi era. Tomorrow the origin story invented for the victimised Croatians will be different again.)
http://freetruth.50webs.org/A7c.htm#Supp...tatorships
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Â Â Â Â Having lost its "strongest bulwark" [Austria] with the end of the first World War, the Vatican turned to Mussolini and fascist Italy to defend it and its long range goals. Likewise, the Vatican threw its support behind Mussolini's imperialist ambitions for fascist Italy. ... Why did Hitler create two independent clerical-fascist states which considered themselves vassals of the papacy? The answer to this question explains why historians hardly ever mention Slovakia and Croatia in their discussions of World War II or the Holocaust: because the Vatican was a silent partner in the Axis alliance, as well as in the Holocaust.
  -- What is the Vatican Hiding, Barry Lituchy http://freetruth.50webs.org/Appendix4.htm
Besides Nazism in Germany, Italy and Croatia there are a number of other European countries that suffered markedly under the fascist tyranny of Catholics: Spain under ruthless fascist Catholic dictator Franco and Slovakia under the priest Tiso.
  Catholicism had links to government organizations, right-wing nationalism, including Fascism and Nazism. Moreover, most every right-wing dictator of the period had been brought up a Catholic: Hitler, Horthy, Franco, Petain, Mussoline, Pavelic, and Tiso (who has served as a Catholic priest).
From: Christianity in Europe during WWII http://www.nobeliefs.com/ChurchesWWII.htm#anchor2b
Contrary to their claims today, the fascist regimes in Europe from the 1920's to the 1940's had been widely supported by the majority of Christians, including the Nazi rule in Germany. Other examples were the Italian Fascism under Mussolini, the rule of Spanish Catholic dictator Franco (and a similar one in Portugal), the Clerofascist rule of Tiso in Slovakia, and the war-born Ustasha regime in Croatia, a part of Yugoslavia.
From: The Christian Horror Picture Show
http://www.geocities.com/iconoclastes.geo/nazi.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, one can see the hand of catholicism/western christianism manipulating islamism again in a small way: Arch-catholic Danny Boyle's slummovie "slumdog millionaire".
There's also the far more organised christian rule in Bharatam trying to give full power to islamania in order to destroy the Hindu nature of the country. And giving communism and islamism a free hand in Nepal (in order to weaken it and infiltrate christianism as is being done).
C.S. Lewis - the catholic who originally started off irreligious, but after his conversion wrote the usual bad christian apologetics like "Mere christianism" etcetera - wrote how islamism was "only a christian heresy" or "only the greatest of christian heresies". I can't remember the exact wording. Web search it.
As an aside, The Clash of Civilisations of islam vs christian west was already illustrated in the final book of C.S. Lewis' Narnia series. aptly titled "The Last Battle", it describes how the world containing Narnia is destroyed upon a battle between the (white, obviously western christian) Narnians and the (dark and turbanned, obviously islamic) evil Tash-worshipping Calormenes, whose ruling elite are called Tarkaans and are an obvious amalgamation of all islamic dynasties from Arabia to Turkey to Iran and Afghanistan to the Mooghals. Place names include Tashbaan. Lots of islamic customs including slaves, and 'islamic culture' (some of it actually Persian such as litters to carry people), etcetera.
Anyway, in The Last Battle, the "dark eastern islamic Calormenes" (Colourmeanies) invade Narnia through cunning and by working with some devious atheistic Narnian animals and overcome the "white christian Narnians". Narnia is lost, the entire world in which it rests is destroyed. And then there's a chapter on 'heaven' and jeebusjehovallah.
The book was also arguing about how Tash (allah) is not Aslan (jeebus), but that this was all confusion sown by the 'deplorable and devious wicked' (aka atheists and by extension liberals and multiculturalists).
Like The Last Battle is actually against islamism, the previous book in the series, "The Silver Chair", is almost entirely directed against atheism.
"The Last Battle" also argues against atheism but focuses more on the 'modern secular conceit' of equating and giving equal value to christianism with islamism and hence the 'ultimate price of multiculturalism'.