05-30-2009, 05:37 PM
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<i>What do you mean by YOU GUYs?
Your comments are for those who had migrated from pakistan and practice paki culture. Get your facts right.
Delhi is full of wood from every corner and copycats.
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Truly Delhi has people from all corners, but bastardization of customs is done by only a few.
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<i>Did you checked Arya Samaj? or you were just looking for Bengali priest, that will be difficult to find because communist rule had destroyed everything, here you are contradicting yourself.</i>
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In fact I had to go to the Kali Bari in CR park to so that. So, that demolishes two of your lies. Truth is every Bengali priest I've come across knows how to perform Anna Prasana. The population of CR park is entirely composed of partition refugees. Nor they have forgotten or corrupted basic customs neither are they commies.
You are right in one aspect. I could have found out from the Arya Samaj priests. On two occasions when I stood witness for the marriage of my runaway colleagues I found the priests to be well versed.
But my question is why can't the average priest in SD temple perform this basic custom? Why have they forgotten this
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<i>Are you talking about commercial Durga Puja where they even show X-films and Alcohol behind Dugra Idol? Or gathering for eve-teasing inside Pandals or nonsense filmy songs for 7-8 days. </i>
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What is commercial Durga Puja BTW? X-Films and alcohol? Have you ever been to a Durga Puja?
My families roots are in rural India and I grew up in Air Force environment. I've seen Durga Pujas organized by small bylanes and also by Air Force people (wherever my father was posted).
Sorry to inform you that I never found the exotic stuff that you mentioned.
And I should point it to you, these were the only occasions I saw senior officers mixing with airmen/other ranks in the festivals. Such is the appeal of this festival. And the credit goes to Bengalis to have kept the tradition alive.
One more phenomenon about the Durga Pujas in Delhi is that I see increasingly large scale participation by non-Bengali devotees. I was a bit surprised to find a clutch of elderly Sikhs.
It just shows the appeal and popular need for a well organized community festivals. Holi and Diwali are major festivals, but are not celebrated in a community gathering mode.
Ram Lila during Dusshera is a good opportunity if the Punjab + Cow belt population gets out if its mistaken sense of class identity and gets down to mix with the masses.
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<i>You are confused with Partition migrants and their culture.
I think you have no idea how much every single day is celebrated in average North Indian House.
Punjab/Harayana/Himachal survived and faught for long time, every single invaders marched into North India. 30 yrs of communist had done more damage and people had lost way in West Bengal. Anywhere one go, one will find whole Chatterjee, Banerjee, Roy, Pauls, Sens trying to demonize Hindus. They hate themselves and its culture. Big identity crisis.</i>
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Again beating around the bush, aren't you?
Could you point out specific festivals that have been preserved? What answer do you have to account for non-conduct for Saraswati Puja?
BTW, let me assure you I've spent more than half of my life in Delhi. As a kid when my father used to be posted in Delhi and my entire adult professional life. Besides, that most of my fathers postings happen to be in North...Chandigarh, SriNagar, Agra, Allahabad (few small places as well) etc.
I pretty much well versed with the population in these parts, urban and rural.
Finally, being partition migrants is no excuse, our family is also partition migrant. That doesn't mean my father has forgot how to tie a dhoti.
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<i>They never surrendered.</i>
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Yes, instead the Rajputs went on to make a confederation arrangement after pawning their women.
Sorry, the North West has undergone a gradual Islamization, that is visible in the current day Hindu dress code, cuisine and changes in festival and customs.
Did you notice, to reach Eastern India one has to pass through large swathe of lands starting from Hindukush to Santhal tribal belts. What happened here? Nobody stopped the Islamists?
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<i>That is commie translation, It started by British and carryforward by Commies from West Bengal. Whenever you talk about beef, they comes out beating chest that it is written in Vedas so we eat. Another logic they give, Kali also eat beef and we worship Kali.</i>
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To be honest I've not yet met a beef eating person and I'm not aware of the reasons they quote.
However, I'll repeat my stand that you must have a very clear and unambiguous scriptural edict if one wishes to argue with documentary evidence.
When arguing with common folks one cannot put forward interpretations etc., what's needed is a very precise book, chapter, section etc. reference.
This is the loophole what commies might have exploited.
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<i>Communism is bad and it should be eradicated from everywhere. Start from state which is most damaged.</i>
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This is the point that I agree with you completely.
However, the reason for cutting across your post was to point out the fact that Hindutva in its current form cannot gain territorial expansion if it cannot take into account regional variations of Hindu practices or extent of Hindu roots elsewhere.
Your post come across as if you are not aware of Hindu customs elsewhere. Sorry, it is a loss for all of us, assuming you also vote for BJP like me.
Way to go there.
<i>What do you mean by YOU GUYs?
Your comments are for those who had migrated from pakistan and practice paki culture. Get your facts right.
Delhi is full of wood from every corner and copycats.
</i>>>
Truly Delhi has people from all corners, but bastardization of customs is done by only a few.
>>
<i>Did you checked Arya Samaj? or you were just looking for Bengali priest, that will be difficult to find because communist rule had destroyed everything, here you are contradicting yourself.</i>
>>
In fact I had to go to the Kali Bari in CR park to so that. So, that demolishes two of your lies. Truth is every Bengali priest I've come across knows how to perform Anna Prasana. The population of CR park is entirely composed of partition refugees. Nor they have forgotten or corrupted basic customs neither are they commies.
You are right in one aspect. I could have found out from the Arya Samaj priests. On two occasions when I stood witness for the marriage of my runaway colleagues I found the priests to be well versed.
But my question is why can't the average priest in SD temple perform this basic custom? Why have they forgotten this
>>
<i>Are you talking about commercial Durga Puja where they even show X-films and Alcohol behind Dugra Idol? Or gathering for eve-teasing inside Pandals or nonsense filmy songs for 7-8 days. </i>
>>
What is commercial Durga Puja BTW? X-Films and alcohol? Have you ever been to a Durga Puja?
My families roots are in rural India and I grew up in Air Force environment. I've seen Durga Pujas organized by small bylanes and also by Air Force people (wherever my father was posted).
Sorry to inform you that I never found the exotic stuff that you mentioned.
And I should point it to you, these were the only occasions I saw senior officers mixing with airmen/other ranks in the festivals. Such is the appeal of this festival. And the credit goes to Bengalis to have kept the tradition alive.
One more phenomenon about the Durga Pujas in Delhi is that I see increasingly large scale participation by non-Bengali devotees. I was a bit surprised to find a clutch of elderly Sikhs.
It just shows the appeal and popular need for a well organized community festivals. Holi and Diwali are major festivals, but are not celebrated in a community gathering mode.
Ram Lila during Dusshera is a good opportunity if the Punjab + Cow belt population gets out if its mistaken sense of class identity and gets down to mix with the masses.
>>
<i>You are confused with Partition migrants and their culture.
I think you have no idea how much every single day is celebrated in average North Indian House.
Punjab/Harayana/Himachal survived and faught for long time, every single invaders marched into North India. 30 yrs of communist had done more damage and people had lost way in West Bengal. Anywhere one go, one will find whole Chatterjee, Banerjee, Roy, Pauls, Sens trying to demonize Hindus. They hate themselves and its culture. Big identity crisis.</i>
>>
Again beating around the bush, aren't you?
Could you point out specific festivals that have been preserved? What answer do you have to account for non-conduct for Saraswati Puja?
BTW, let me assure you I've spent more than half of my life in Delhi. As a kid when my father used to be posted in Delhi and my entire adult professional life. Besides, that most of my fathers postings happen to be in North...Chandigarh, SriNagar, Agra, Allahabad (few small places as well) etc.
I pretty much well versed with the population in these parts, urban and rural.
Finally, being partition migrants is no excuse, our family is also partition migrant. That doesn't mean my father has forgot how to tie a dhoti.
>>
<i>They never surrendered.</i>
>>
Yes, instead the Rajputs went on to make a confederation arrangement after pawning their women.
Sorry, the North West has undergone a gradual Islamization, that is visible in the current day Hindu dress code, cuisine and changes in festival and customs.
Did you notice, to reach Eastern India one has to pass through large swathe of lands starting from Hindukush to Santhal tribal belts. What happened here? Nobody stopped the Islamists?
>>
<i>That is commie translation, It started by British and carryforward by Commies from West Bengal. Whenever you talk about beef, they comes out beating chest that it is written in Vedas so we eat. Another logic they give, Kali also eat beef and we worship Kali.</i>
>>
To be honest I've not yet met a beef eating person and I'm not aware of the reasons they quote.
However, I'll repeat my stand that you must have a very clear and unambiguous scriptural edict if one wishes to argue with documentary evidence.
When arguing with common folks one cannot put forward interpretations etc., what's needed is a very precise book, chapter, section etc. reference.
This is the loophole what commies might have exploited.
>>
<i>Communism is bad and it should be eradicated from everywhere. Start from state which is most damaged.</i>
>>
This is the point that I agree with you completely.
However, the reason for cutting across your post was to point out the fact that Hindutva in its current form cannot gain territorial expansion if it cannot take into account regional variations of Hindu practices or extent of Hindu roots elsewhere.
Your post come across as if you are not aware of Hindu customs elsewhere. Sorry, it is a loss for all of us, assuming you also vote for BJP like me.
Way to go there.