05-30-2009, 09:48 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+May 30 2009, 09:16 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ May 30 2009, 09:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->sroy,
In late 60s when Indira Gandhi formed Government with Left/Communist support, it started worst cultural destruction of India or Hindu culture. It was worse then Nehru ways of suppression of Hindu voice by declaring Hindu organization illegal. There was ban on RSS and smaller Hindu organizations. There was a restriction to hire them; people had used this to settle score. But Indira gave Education and Cultural ministry to Communist and they destroyed everything for ever. They targeted books and Government functioning. Nural Hassan and his cronies masterminded whole destruction. Bodies like ICCR, NCERT, History department or UGC are corrupted by them to core. Sanskrit is completely removed as a major language but Urdu was promoted. All Islamic invaders were treated as Hero and Hindu fighters as jerks. These people are calling butcher Akbar as Akbhar the great and a sign of secularism (do they know meaning of secularism). They had created Aurangjeb as reformer. Damn Aurangjeb road pass from center of Delhi. Books refer 1987 as mutiny not first war of Independence. We had generation lost, who had or in process to forget their own History. Now fresh assault on Lord Rama, or I say one of the surviving historical book on ancient India. I consider its more important as a history then Religion, thatâs my view, but current rulers with communist association tried to destroy Rama or historical connection Ram Setu, so that ambical cord to be disconnected and that will break their link to History, ancestor and pride.
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This is an uniform phenomenon. I'm a product of CBSE product. Not relevant to current discussion.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+May 30 2009, 09:16 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ May 30 2009, 09:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Whether you realize or not you yourself had influence of communism by using "upper middle class", class war is major component of communism. Pit each other on the basis of class.
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So, class categorization is a exclusive right of the commies? If one looks at social layers in terms of socio-economic indicators one becomes a commie?
Sir, persist with with Lahori logic, nobody is stopping you. If you are hell bent on assuming a head in the sand attitude to mere baap ka kya jata hai.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+May 30 2009, 09:16 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ May 30 2009, 09:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I always say, remove Durga Puja from Bengal, and check what will left. I challenged one great Communist and asked him, do it. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why didn't you ask a lay Hindu? If you ask a commie, he'll oblige you accordingly.
I think in my last post I've listed Hindu practices in Bengal and the zeal of the people. However if you seek certificate from commies it is your problem.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+May 30 2009, 09:16 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ May 30 2009, 09:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->His answer was this is a biggest source of recruitment and funds for communist. Majority of cases, they themselves organize this not because they are die hard believer in religion or tradition but it helps them to swell their kitty and brainwash more. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What's stopping RSS and VHP?
Did your commie friend tell you that the Puja Pandals are equally sought by Rama Krishna Mission and Bharat Seva Ashram guys for donations and volunteers?
Or do you think that these Hindu organizations are not worthy peers to blue-blooded RSS?
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+May 30 2009, 09:16 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ May 30 2009, 09:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->In unit (forces) celebration they don't get chance to do what they do outside or in civilian area. We had forced out Durga Puja from our area, and later other also kicked out because it was used for illegal activities, idiots were charging for movies. Pandal entry was paid one. It was common to see one side they are doing Durga arti and other partition drunks were having disco. Nobody from Durga committee objected. Safe place to keep alcohol was back or under Durga stage. One incidence they were distributing condoms inside Pandal. One kid brought it home thinking it was a supari packet.
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See keep your ethnic biases to yourselves. I'm not blaming you outright, given the knowledge of lay population and caste and clan mentality of people at large.
It is the thinking similar to your types that labels every Bengali villagers in metros as Bangladeshis. It is not ignorance, but sheer racism. Kicking out Durga Puja is a part of the process.
Charging money for entry or movie screening? That's slander. I've taken part of enough civilian (since you excluded the forces ones) Durga Pujas in Delhi and what you said is a lie.
I'm not aware of anybody distributing condoms. Don't they distribute condoms in Hindutvawadi Gujarat during Navaratris? Seems like common folks have better wisdom to see that teenagers have a bit of leeway and yet remain under Hindu fold, unlike your puritanical attitude.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+May 30 2009, 09:16 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ May 30 2009, 09:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Communism in West Bengal had destroyed human development, living standard, this state will be last to come out from poverty, only if it stays free from communist for 30-40 years. Generation lost. Those who are educated or elite class, they are promoting communism/ class war wherever they go. Living on other misery gives them source of income. Punjab, Himachal etc poverty is non existence. Poverty is either due to Alcohol or drug abuse.
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Elite class everywhere has disproportionate visibility in media/press.
Punjab and Himachal is not sum total of India.
If Punjab thinks that moving to the West as illegal immigrants and living as second class citizens is solution to employment, then good for Punjab.
But don't expect rest of India to follow that model.
In late 60s when Indira Gandhi formed Government with Left/Communist support, it started worst cultural destruction of India or Hindu culture. It was worse then Nehru ways of suppression of Hindu voice by declaring Hindu organization illegal. There was ban on RSS and smaller Hindu organizations. There was a restriction to hire them; people had used this to settle score. But Indira gave Education and Cultural ministry to Communist and they destroyed everything for ever. They targeted books and Government functioning. Nural Hassan and his cronies masterminded whole destruction. Bodies like ICCR, NCERT, History department or UGC are corrupted by them to core. Sanskrit is completely removed as a major language but Urdu was promoted. All Islamic invaders were treated as Hero and Hindu fighters as jerks. These people are calling butcher Akbar as Akbhar the great and a sign of secularism (do they know meaning of secularism). They had created Aurangjeb as reformer. Damn Aurangjeb road pass from center of Delhi. Books refer 1987 as mutiny not first war of Independence. We had generation lost, who had or in process to forget their own History. Now fresh assault on Lord Rama, or I say one of the surviving historical book on ancient India. I consider its more important as a history then Religion, thatâs my view, but current rulers with communist association tried to destroy Rama or historical connection Ram Setu, so that ambical cord to be disconnected and that will break their link to History, ancestor and pride.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is an uniform phenomenon. I'm a product of CBSE product. Not relevant to current discussion.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+May 30 2009, 09:16 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ May 30 2009, 09:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Whether you realize or not you yourself had influence of communism by using "upper middle class", class war is major component of communism. Pit each other on the basis of class.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, class categorization is a exclusive right of the commies? If one looks at social layers in terms of socio-economic indicators one becomes a commie?
Sir, persist with with Lahori logic, nobody is stopping you. If you are hell bent on assuming a head in the sand attitude to mere baap ka kya jata hai.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+May 30 2009, 09:16 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ May 30 2009, 09:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I always say, remove Durga Puja from Bengal, and check what will left. I challenged one great Communist and asked him, do it. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why didn't you ask a lay Hindu? If you ask a commie, he'll oblige you accordingly.
I think in my last post I've listed Hindu practices in Bengal and the zeal of the people. However if you seek certificate from commies it is your problem.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+May 30 2009, 09:16 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ May 30 2009, 09:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->His answer was this is a biggest source of recruitment and funds for communist. Majority of cases, they themselves organize this not because they are die hard believer in religion or tradition but it helps them to swell their kitty and brainwash more. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What's stopping RSS and VHP?
Did your commie friend tell you that the Puja Pandals are equally sought by Rama Krishna Mission and Bharat Seva Ashram guys for donations and volunteers?
Or do you think that these Hindu organizations are not worthy peers to blue-blooded RSS?
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+May 30 2009, 09:16 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ May 30 2009, 09:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->In unit (forces) celebration they don't get chance to do what they do outside or in civilian area. We had forced out Durga Puja from our area, and later other also kicked out because it was used for illegal activities, idiots were charging for movies. Pandal entry was paid one. It was common to see one side they are doing Durga arti and other partition drunks were having disco. Nobody from Durga committee objected. Safe place to keep alcohol was back or under Durga stage. One incidence they were distributing condoms inside Pandal. One kid brought it home thinking it was a supari packet.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See keep your ethnic biases to yourselves. I'm not blaming you outright, given the knowledge of lay population and caste and clan mentality of people at large.
It is the thinking similar to your types that labels every Bengali villagers in metros as Bangladeshis. It is not ignorance, but sheer racism. Kicking out Durga Puja is a part of the process.
Charging money for entry or movie screening? That's slander. I've taken part of enough civilian (since you excluded the forces ones) Durga Pujas in Delhi and what you said is a lie.
I'm not aware of anybody distributing condoms. Don't they distribute condoms in Hindutvawadi Gujarat during Navaratris? Seems like common folks have better wisdom to see that teenagers have a bit of leeway and yet remain under Hindu fold, unlike your puritanical attitude.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+May 30 2009, 09:16 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ May 30 2009, 09:16 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Communism in West Bengal had destroyed human development, living standard, this state will be last to come out from poverty, only if it stays free from communist for 30-40 years. Generation lost. Those who are educated or elite class, they are promoting communism/ class war wherever they go. Living on other misery gives them source of income. Punjab, Himachal etc poverty is non existence. Poverty is either due to Alcohol or drug abuse.
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Elite class everywhere has disproportionate visibility in media/press.
Punjab and Himachal is not sum total of India.
If Punjab thinks that moving to the West as illegal immigrants and living as second class citizens is solution to employment, then good for Punjab.
But don't expect rest of India to follow that model.