01-14-2005, 08:47 AM
Ashok,
As I said before, I dont want to discuss the evidence, the alleged crime, the bail as well as the motives of the TN govt. I am only pondering the ramifications. I am concerned about the ramifications to all Hindus all over the world. Newspapers here are splashed with these stories and we are having a hard time explaining. These events are putting us back years.
Regarding my charge of guru dhroham, I forsaw that and posted in this very thread about a month back. I was correct in my reading and JS himself has mentioned being let down by VS. Who wouldn't be if their very child or shisya ignores them during difficult times. What more is there to argue on this? JS must now act on his pronouncement of VS's betrayal. He cannot gloss it away.
Caste discrimination is a different issue and is not related here or to judicial case. But do get real. Caste discrimination is simply the only reason why Hindus are not reacting to the kanchi arrests.
[QUOTE]And what are you supporting the police-politician-judicial abuse of the system for?
[QUOTE]
And I keep telling you I am not supporting the TN govt or police, nor care not for their motives, and I am not on anybody's side. As far as this goes, my position is 'let the law prevail'. If anything my sympathies are with JS, as he has been betrayed, will be further betrayed and is a karmic victim here. But he is a big man, as only a big man can shoulder responsibilities and humiliation like this. He was chosen to face this task because he is a big man, unlike CS. (read my past posts on this thread)
But you will not be happy till I criticise and condemn the TN govt and police. Okay, yes, I condemn them for their politics, I condemn the DMK and the AIDMK, the Congress and Sonia and condemn all the bad things and corruption in India, all this in the same way I condemn caste discrimination and semitic proselytisation in India. I used to root for the BJP, but now I am losing hope and am thinking of rooting for the reemerged Jan Sangh.
Regarding 'shutting the mutt or not', - lets get real again. Mutt funds have been frozen. (did you miss that?) In days or a week, things will come to a standstill. Electricity may be cut. Monks there will be further demoralised and spiritual practices are not possible in such an environment. Soon monks will be walking out of the mutt causing even further embaressment, with more stories to tell. It may take a while for this order to be lifted. So better shut it even if its temporarily. Other seers have already asked JS to step down. Naturally VS too must step down. Since both are incapacitated now, or if both step down, who will run the mutt?
Regarding 'no intrinsic evil' and 'will of god', I have already explained that these are the 'ultimate' and 'highest macro Hindu view'. So no need to explain further. You also missed the word 'intrinsic'. These big events - the tsunami and kanchi arrests must be seen in this highest macro Hindu view.
You have attached yourself to kanchi and therefore feel slighted and let down. I am not attached to either side and could not care less who wins the trial. My point is the damage has been done, and a sampradaya has already been broken. You better come to terms with this Ashok and deal with it.
It is impolite and impertinent to say it, but I dont think these folks in kanchi are self realised persons. You better come to realise that its an empty tradition with no power in it. And so should all brahmins realise the charade they have been led thru and that everything that they stood for was a wrong premise. This is a wake up call. I dont mean any ill will when I say this, so please dont respond to this.
As you say, someone is going to get egg on their face soon. And I am saying there is already 'mud on your face, big disgrace,...' to the entire community. I have nothing to lose as I already warned of an impending big karma just some months ago and urged hasty reforms. Now I will go further and say there is much more coming very, very soon. No one will be spared. There is a simple karmic logic here - sooner or later something must happen to right all the wrongs, dont you think?
Regards.
Pathma
As I said before, I dont want to discuss the evidence, the alleged crime, the bail as well as the motives of the TN govt. I am only pondering the ramifications. I am concerned about the ramifications to all Hindus all over the world. Newspapers here are splashed with these stories and we are having a hard time explaining. These events are putting us back years.
Regarding my charge of guru dhroham, I forsaw that and posted in this very thread about a month back. I was correct in my reading and JS himself has mentioned being let down by VS. Who wouldn't be if their very child or shisya ignores them during difficult times. What more is there to argue on this? JS must now act on his pronouncement of VS's betrayal. He cannot gloss it away.
Caste discrimination is a different issue and is not related here or to judicial case. But do get real. Caste discrimination is simply the only reason why Hindus are not reacting to the kanchi arrests.
[QUOTE]And what are you supporting the police-politician-judicial abuse of the system for?
[QUOTE]
And I keep telling you I am not supporting the TN govt or police, nor care not for their motives, and I am not on anybody's side. As far as this goes, my position is 'let the law prevail'. If anything my sympathies are with JS, as he has been betrayed, will be further betrayed and is a karmic victim here. But he is a big man, as only a big man can shoulder responsibilities and humiliation like this. He was chosen to face this task because he is a big man, unlike CS. (read my past posts on this thread)
But you will not be happy till I criticise and condemn the TN govt and police. Okay, yes, I condemn them for their politics, I condemn the DMK and the AIDMK, the Congress and Sonia and condemn all the bad things and corruption in India, all this in the same way I condemn caste discrimination and semitic proselytisation in India. I used to root for the BJP, but now I am losing hope and am thinking of rooting for the reemerged Jan Sangh.
Regarding 'shutting the mutt or not', - lets get real again. Mutt funds have been frozen. (did you miss that?) In days or a week, things will come to a standstill. Electricity may be cut. Monks there will be further demoralised and spiritual practices are not possible in such an environment. Soon monks will be walking out of the mutt causing even further embaressment, with more stories to tell. It may take a while for this order to be lifted. So better shut it even if its temporarily. Other seers have already asked JS to step down. Naturally VS too must step down. Since both are incapacitated now, or if both step down, who will run the mutt?
Regarding 'no intrinsic evil' and 'will of god', I have already explained that these are the 'ultimate' and 'highest macro Hindu view'. So no need to explain further. You also missed the word 'intrinsic'. These big events - the tsunami and kanchi arrests must be seen in this highest macro Hindu view.
You have attached yourself to kanchi and therefore feel slighted and let down. I am not attached to either side and could not care less who wins the trial. My point is the damage has been done, and a sampradaya has already been broken. You better come to terms with this Ashok and deal with it.
It is impolite and impertinent to say it, but I dont think these folks in kanchi are self realised persons. You better come to realise that its an empty tradition with no power in it. And so should all brahmins realise the charade they have been led thru and that everything that they stood for was a wrong premise. This is a wake up call. I dont mean any ill will when I say this, so please dont respond to this.
As you say, someone is going to get egg on their face soon. And I am saying there is already 'mud on your face, big disgrace,...' to the entire community. I have nothing to lose as I already warned of an impending big karma just some months ago and urged hasty reforms. Now I will go further and say there is much more coming very, very soon. No one will be spared. There is a simple karmic logic here - sooner or later something must happen to right all the wrongs, dont you think?
Regards.
Pathma