06-13-2009, 09:19 AM
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I thought it was Lithuanian?
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Finno-ugric(finnish) is considered by some linguists as the closest non-IE family language to IE based on vocabulary.
Others consider semitic as simillar whit IE based on common gramatical rules.
Lithuanian is similar whit many ancient IE languages because its archaic features.
If germans,russians can have their IE urheimats why not the balkanites?
Among the pro-arguments for a Balkan origin are next ones:
-Balkans are situated at the smallest distance from any IE language subfamily
-Near Balkan area have the most IE language subfamilies (argument from linguistic diversity)
-Balkans area was among the most ,if not the most civilised culture from the earth betwin 5000-3000 BC,including the biggest towns at that time whit 10.000-20.000 inhabitants ,whit 4-5 flors height buildings(ancient "skyscrapers").
-geneticaly,the oldest R1a genetic marker is in balkans.So is probable that R1a spread from the Balkans and R1a is about 50% of population in Poland,20% in India,20% in Germany etc).
Language X was the language of the paleolithic hunters .In 7000 BC Balkans was colonised by neolithic(agricultural) people from Turkey which form 30-40% of genetic balkanite population.
The proto-IE language was an off-shot of anatolian pre-proto-IE language family from Turkey.This IE languages replace the old language X.
An off-shot of Balkanic theory is that yammna nomadic people of Gimbutas learned IE from balkanites or even they was an off-shot of balkanites.This theory link balkan theory whit the more classical sttepe theory(the clasical AIT)
Based on genetic studies ,seems that IE speakers are not closely geneticaly related.And we dont need genetics to see that people belong to different race-clines.
Even more intersting is the turkik language family.It has caucasian speakers on one side and mongoloid speaker on the other side.Mongoloids and caucasians was separated for thousands of years so either caucasians learn turkik language from th e mongoloids(commonly accepted theory),either mongoloids learned fom caucasians.
There are 2 ways that a language can spread
1- A tribe have many children which make also many childrens which lead to language spread.
2-by power of some kind-military,economic or even spiritual power,or a combination of all.
By military-the winners become kings and the choosen language is promoted.Usualy this process take about 500 years and few millitary elites stay that long in power.Only 1 out of 10 ocupations can change the native language.
By economy-some language become lingua franca among the trade rutes like aramaic in the middle east.This is an unlikely procees, leading more to borowings but not language change .Similarites betwin sumerian,IE and semitic can be atributed to economic borowings.Similarites betwin dravidian,elamite and aethiopian languages could be atribuited to the ancient economic rutes of the indian ocean.
By spiritual power-Some can have the best intelectualy shamans-priests(vedics),or more profound philosophers(greeks),or more agresive priests(christians).They can bring cultural prestige to a language and make people very receptive to it.
Sometimes all 3 factors are in actions.Turkish language in Turkey was suported by central-asian turk invaders who become kings there,suported by conversions to islam of th enative population ,suported by the common economic rutes.
Because is obvious that IE people belong to different race-clines the model 1 of language s spread is unsuported by evidences.The only posible way is the model 2.
There are unclear similarites betwin basque and caucasian languages(such as georgian) .If so ,the basques can be a part of caucasian warriors that also have make the hurrian empire and posibly pushed the IE speakers further away.
I thought it was Lithuanian?
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Finno-ugric(finnish) is considered by some linguists as the closest non-IE family language to IE based on vocabulary.
Others consider semitic as simillar whit IE based on common gramatical rules.
Lithuanian is similar whit many ancient IE languages because its archaic features.
If germans,russians can have their IE urheimats why not the balkanites?
Among the pro-arguments for a Balkan origin are next ones:
-Balkans are situated at the smallest distance from any IE language subfamily
-Near Balkan area have the most IE language subfamilies (argument from linguistic diversity)
-Balkans area was among the most ,if not the most civilised culture from the earth betwin 5000-3000 BC,including the biggest towns at that time whit 10.000-20.000 inhabitants ,whit 4-5 flors height buildings(ancient "skyscrapers").
-geneticaly,the oldest R1a genetic marker is in balkans.So is probable that R1a spread from the Balkans and R1a is about 50% of population in Poland,20% in India,20% in Germany etc).
Language X was the language of the paleolithic hunters .In 7000 BC Balkans was colonised by neolithic(agricultural) people from Turkey which form 30-40% of genetic balkanite population.
The proto-IE language was an off-shot of anatolian pre-proto-IE language family from Turkey.This IE languages replace the old language X.
An off-shot of Balkanic theory is that yammna nomadic people of Gimbutas learned IE from balkanites or even they was an off-shot of balkanites.This theory link balkan theory whit the more classical sttepe theory(the clasical AIT)
Based on genetic studies ,seems that IE speakers are not closely geneticaly related.And we dont need genetics to see that people belong to different race-clines.
Even more intersting is the turkik language family.It has caucasian speakers on one side and mongoloid speaker on the other side.Mongoloids and caucasians was separated for thousands of years so either caucasians learn turkik language from th e mongoloids(commonly accepted theory),either mongoloids learned fom caucasians.
There are 2 ways that a language can spread
1- A tribe have many children which make also many childrens which lead to language spread.
2-by power of some kind-military,economic or even spiritual power,or a combination of all.
By military-the winners become kings and the choosen language is promoted.Usualy this process take about 500 years and few millitary elites stay that long in power.Only 1 out of 10 ocupations can change the native language.
By economy-some language become lingua franca among the trade rutes like aramaic in the middle east.This is an unlikely procees, leading more to borowings but not language change .Similarites betwin sumerian,IE and semitic can be atributed to economic borowings.Similarites betwin dravidian,elamite and aethiopian languages could be atribuited to the ancient economic rutes of the indian ocean.
By spiritual power-Some can have the best intelectualy shamans-priests(vedics),or more profound philosophers(greeks),or more agresive priests(christians).They can bring cultural prestige to a language and make people very receptive to it.
Sometimes all 3 factors are in actions.Turkish language in Turkey was suported by central-asian turk invaders who become kings there,suported by conversions to islam of th enative population ,suported by the common economic rutes.
Because is obvious that IE people belong to different race-clines the model 1 of language s spread is unsuported by evidences.The only posible way is the model 2.
There are unclear similarites betwin basque and caucasian languages(such as georgian) .If so ,the basques can be a part of caucasian warriors that also have make the hurrian empire and posibly pushed the IE speakers further away.