Vedanta - Discussion Forum I (introductory))

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Thanks Sunderji.

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The Vedântâ-Sûtras- Ramanuja's Commentary

Regarding Moksha and Mukthi, though i have heard the difference from my Guru, but i am unqualified and intellectually/literally challenged to explain the difference. That is why i wanted to know whether there is a difference literally/from some mahapurusha's commentary. As i infer, that for Sanskrit words especially the ones concerned to edanta, realized meaning is more correct than the literary meaning.

But the least i can say is Moksha (dvaitic end point with Saguna Brahman- at this stage Jiva knows and realizes that it is not the body and is outside the mayic realm and still sees the paramatma has a different entity- very similar to the dvaitin's moksha) is a lesser state than Mukthi (advaitic state completely with the Nirguna Brahman). and not all people who attain Moksha attain Mukthi. I will come to that in the next paragraph.

Again not sure whether i conveyed his explanation. I have made a try. I am just 27 and my real journey just started almost 20 months back after meeting my Guru Before that and (still) I donot profess any knowledge of Sanskrit/and or Vedas except for portions of Paramacharya's Deivathin Kural, plus a few books by Chinmayananda, Dayananda Saraswati and a few of Ramakrisha mission publication. so forgive me if i am way off the mark.

[the following is purely my contemplation]
An observation thought which struck me.

Adi Shankara - being Shiva swarupa - talked about Advaita.
Ramanuja - being Adhiseshan's swarupa - talked about Vishtadvaita
Madhvacharya - being Vayubhagavan's swarupa - talked about dvaita.

If you see the heirarchy (by staying within the mayic domain))

Vayu --> Adhi-Seshan --> Iswara
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Dvaita --> Vishistadvaita --> Advaita

From within a Mayic domain,
Vayu bhagavan (from his level) says that jivatma not = Paratma

Adhiseshan (from his level) Iswara = Narayana (qualified) and jeevatma is different

Iswara( Shankara) says that Iswara= Naryana and even jeeva is not a separate entity from Paramatma.

Gangajal's explanation on Ramakrishna's advaita is closest to what i have heard. Especially when he said that a person may wish to retain the state where he serves God and doesn't want to merge..i.e a person may wishes to be in the state of Moksha and not Mukthi. but as you said, it is *not he* who wishes to be in that state, but it is the lord who wishes. at this point he thinks himself as a different entity from the lord and wishes to remain in the state. Lord enjoys this maya and when he wishes, he lifts from Moksha to Mukthi occurs with Lord's will.

Sarvam Krishnarpanam.