Quote:Husky,Aug 8 2009, 01:22 PM Wrote:Their whole goal is to get India and China ASAP, especially when these are on the rise. So that when a christian majority is implemented and starts <i>riding the wave of prosperity that Hindus are currently creating</i> (and Chinese too, in our respective countries) after the immense havoc wreaked by christocolonialism, the church and its sheep can claim that "christianism is what brought prosperity to India/China/Asia".
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Quote:2.Quote:Mental stability is a natural side-effect of various Hindu practices, including what are seen as arts and skills. But you are also trivialising 'secularising' what the purpose of Yoga and Kirtanas is.
<b>No you are. I just mentioned one aspect of it. I am well aware of Brahman and unity with Brahman. Just because I didn't cover everything doesn't mean that I said Hinduism is just that.</b>
Quote:Quote:Anyway, the point was that the purpose and effect of Yoga, Kirtanas, Bharatanatyam etcetera is more than merely stabilising people's minds.
<b>What's with the confrontational attitude? I just mentioned one aspect of it, doesn't mean I am saying Hinduism is all psychology like an atheist.</b>
Quote:Quote: Yes christian brainwashing is potent. But is there no responsibility in oneself? It is upto our own individual persons to maintain and value the treasure of Hindu Dharma which we've inherited. There is no excuse for shutting off our own ability to distinguish between truth and falsehood, between investigating for ourselves the truths of our Hindu Dharma versus blindly believing the nonsense that the untrustworthy and motivated of terrorist ideologies try to sell in order to wean us off it.
Can't accept willful stupidity or stupidity that could be prevented by investing a little of one's own effort.
Quote:4.shamu,Aug 6 2009, 01:08 PM Wrote:That may perhaps be the way one part of India thinks now (the Angelsk-speaking kind in particular), but the majority don't work that way. You are implying most Hindus have no real, meaningful reason to be Hindu. That is a very inaccurate view.agnivayu,Aug 6 2009, 07:16 AM Wrote:rightly or wrongly, Hinduism is associated with the poverty of India.Vice versa, christianity is associated with western prosperity. If western economy comes down, becoming a christian will become very uncool.[right][snapback]100149[/snapback][/right]
<b>That Urbanized part is increasingly growing, I am thinking too far in the future for you. The core loyalists will always stay with Hinduism. Those on the outer rings may drift. And yes there are many cowards. Under Islamic rule, many "hip" ones studied persian poetry and converted to Islam because that was associated with Money and power at the time. If someone did that today, they would be laughed at. So like it or not, politically speaking (not spiritually, because if we believe something is the truth, it will triumph no matter what) building impressive power, structures and having hard power backing up Hinduism does have a great psychological effect on how Hindus (and others) will view the religion.
If the Mughal Empire had lasted another 500 years, what % would Muslims be in India? (Now they are 40% in the Indian Subcontinent). Our large size saved us from the Islamists. In Pakistan/ Bangaldesh once Muslims reached a critical mass they have nearly wiped out Hinduism.
We need more Hard power to back us up.</b>
Quote:Quote:I don't know anyone who is a Hindu because it is "cool". They are Hindu because they know the truth or profound meaning of the Religion. And THIS is what Hindus should be making those who are merely "born Hindu" aware of. THIS is what will keep Hindus Hindu. Not fickleness, about cool or uncool or other lame reasons. An intimate knowledge of their Hindu Dharma will inculcate an inability to relinquish it or accept the christolies about it.
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The word "cool" got you riled up quite easily. Maybe you need to "Cool" off.
I never said someone is Hindu because it's cool, I am trying to explain the situation in large urban areas of the U.S. (and the West) with regards to religion.
Those on the outer rings may be sticking with it because they were either born in it, have nostalgia for it, or due to association with others not because they have a deep understanding. A lot of people don't like to think about concepts of death, or Brahman, or the nature of the Universe. A % may care about understaning it deeply, but I totally disagree that all 100% will (Nor should we care, even outlying orbits are sufficient politically)</b>
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agnivayu,Aug 6 2009, 07:16 AM Wrote:Rajan Zed is a good guy. [...] He is also the first Hindu chaplain to open the U.S. House of Representatives. (Some Xtian nuts shouted him down)[right][snapback]100147[/snapback][/right]Don't know what a Hindu chaplain is. Don't comprehend the purpose behind Hindus opening the US House of Representatives (with invocations) either. What meaning does it have to Hindus? It is not a Hindu practice nor was it a Hindu objective before.
It is an American *christian* interest to want to open the House of Reps with a christian prayer, since they want to claim that "america is a christian country founded on christianism and that in gawd they trust". When in reality it is the Native Americans' country and belongs to their Grand Esprit, and may harbour all those who can live in peace, amity and with respect for them.
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Rajan Zed has successfully brought a Euro-Dalit issue (Roma) into the forefront. Useful propaganda tool against the Roman Emperor.</b>