01-22-2005, 09:41 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Are you really saying that all Brahmins should leave India?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
KJ,
Things are getting pretty bad with this kanchi issue. And its going to get a lot more worse. The resentful common man in India is not going to see this as an individual act. This issue is just going to give him a license to vent.
Most brahmins (90%) are okay and get along with the people, and the people respect them too. A few are orthodox, do not want to reform, and persistently insult the people with their attitudes. These folks will get in the way of the commoners. The only way out of this quandry is full reform. I am not meaning anyone in this forum or the vast majority of the brahmins.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It is. Do you have any ideas on the existing laws and practices in India? Do you know as to how many of them are implemented and how many aren't? Any guess' on who's supposed to be implementing them and why they are or aren't? Any comments on reforms that prop up every couple of centuries and why they have or not sustained? Your posts so far seems to be targeted towards bringing 'reforming Hindusim' in India - if necessary with 'pressure from international groups'. This really has become a business and there are plenty of NGOs in India working with the exact same agenda. Is your position any different from authors like Dinesh D'Souza who have in past called on foreign powers to 'fix democracy' in India.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure the laws have to be implemented. But how many more years do you need before admitting failure?
I am talking about the reform in vedapadasalas, priesthood and monsteries. This must come from within. But how many more years do we have to wait?
Regarding international pressure, that is to remove the job reservation system which is itself entrenching casteism, as well as freeing the temples from govt control ONLY. Why do we have to view this negatively? I just dont see how the Indian govt is going to do this voluntarily. Unless they have a time frame to end reservations and control of temples.
I am not sure you are defending India or Hinduism. I'm making a clear disctinction between the two, and we are saying Hinduism is our business too. All of Hinduism, including the mathas, etc. You know the billions the catholic church paid to settle the phedophile cases? Why do you think temples and mathas and the govt cannot be suit for such sums for discrimination? Its coming.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Why shut down only discriminating mathas? Sounds like a pretty convenient stand you've adopted. Would qualify as reverse-discriminating?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Go ahead and call for the closure of any institution that discriminates against you on race, caste or sex. Show how you have been discriminated.
Regards.
Pathma
KJ,
Things are getting pretty bad with this kanchi issue. And its going to get a lot more worse. The resentful common man in India is not going to see this as an individual act. This issue is just going to give him a license to vent.
Most brahmins (90%) are okay and get along with the people, and the people respect them too. A few are orthodox, do not want to reform, and persistently insult the people with their attitudes. These folks will get in the way of the commoners. The only way out of this quandry is full reform. I am not meaning anyone in this forum or the vast majority of the brahmins.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It is. Do you have any ideas on the existing laws and practices in India? Do you know as to how many of them are implemented and how many aren't? Any guess' on who's supposed to be implementing them and why they are or aren't? Any comments on reforms that prop up every couple of centuries and why they have or not sustained? Your posts so far seems to be targeted towards bringing 'reforming Hindusim' in India - if necessary with 'pressure from international groups'. This really has become a business and there are plenty of NGOs in India working with the exact same agenda. Is your position any different from authors like Dinesh D'Souza who have in past called on foreign powers to 'fix democracy' in India.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure the laws have to be implemented. But how many more years do you need before admitting failure?
I am talking about the reform in vedapadasalas, priesthood and monsteries. This must come from within. But how many more years do we have to wait?
Regarding international pressure, that is to remove the job reservation system which is itself entrenching casteism, as well as freeing the temples from govt control ONLY. Why do we have to view this negatively? I just dont see how the Indian govt is going to do this voluntarily. Unless they have a time frame to end reservations and control of temples.
I am not sure you are defending India or Hinduism. I'm making a clear disctinction between the two, and we are saying Hinduism is our business too. All of Hinduism, including the mathas, etc. You know the billions the catholic church paid to settle the phedophile cases? Why do you think temples and mathas and the govt cannot be suit for such sums for discrimination? Its coming.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Why shut down only discriminating mathas? Sounds like a pretty convenient stand you've adopted. Would qualify as reverse-discriminating?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Go ahead and call for the closure of any institution that discriminates against you on race, caste or sex. Show how you have been discriminated.
Regards.
Pathma