Vedanta - Discussion Forum I (introductory))

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Narayana, Narayana! asking Sunderji whether he has read Ramanuja bhashya has brought this thread alive by bringing Gangajal ji out of his yoga nithrai.

AKji, the set is a collection of discrete object and each object can exist independent of the set

Let me add another analogy
a) Ocean and drops of ocean water
Jivatma - water drops
Paramatma - Ocean

advaitic view point- its all water(brahman). its all water whether its a drop or ocean
vishitadvatic view point- a drop does not become a ocean. but water(brahman)makes both.

b)Jewellery and gold
advaitic view point- its all gold. jewellery is perception.once perception (maya)vanishes, it s all gold.
vishitadvatic view point- agreed there is no jewellery without gold(narayana). but there is difference b/w the raw gold and jewellery especially when you are perceiving.

I guess the acharyas talk from their respective standpoints.
--Shankara being a eswara swarupa talks ultimate reality
while ramanujacharya talks about reality within the limits of reality a jiva can visualize.

am i going anywhere?
Sarvam Krishnarpanam.