01-25-2005, 12:17 PM
Thanks for the replies folks,
I see something better now. Less hostility somewhat and a bit more humour. And yes we are going of in a tangent a bit, but thats because I have to reexplain my views.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Though if you are in a hurry, I'll recommend you send your Egyptian friend to the Mahila priest school in India pronto. Not sure as to what you are waiting for as you have stated in another thread. It could a small start in right direction.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thank you Viren. I have to make sure the student is fully ready and this is not some fancy choice. Therefore it will take some years. Its easier now to train women priests, but like all wide eyed new converts, they want to serve in a Hindu temple too; and not just any temple but in the princetons and harvards of Hindu temples - Tirupati, Kasi, etc. This is going to be a problem as you know.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't see how 'international pressure' can be brought on Hinduism and not on India. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
International pressure to force India to implement their own laws, to give up job reservations and relinquish control of temples. Why do you think its not a good idea? I need to hear.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Can you define what you mean by 'modestly developed' cause one can say India's not 'modestly developed' even a hundred years from now or conversly it's 'modestly developed' today. Subject definitions lie in the eyes of the beholder.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
By 2010 the per capita income would be about $3,500, poverty levels below 10% and unemployment just below 4%. Thats means a majority of dalits too will not be in poverty. Jobs will be easier to come by and people will change occupations. I see priests leaving their traditional vocations creating a shortage and leaving the field open to non brahmins. Problem solved.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Correct me here Pathma. Within 24 hours of seers arrest when there was hardly any evidence published in media, you had a different position. Why this 180 degree now? Just curious.
On Diwali day when you showed up with a baton to lead a parade to crucify JS, was it against 'JS the seer' or 'JS the man'.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There has been no change of positions as Rajesh would like to imagine. As the seer JS has wrecked his sampradaya and laid bare the image of all brahmins, and the foundations of his sect and its empty traditions. If he is found guilty, he should be punished and that is welcome. Justice is always welcome. As you can amply see, I have not changed positions at all.
As a man who accepts and shoulders this heavy burden, his courage is to be admired and he has our sympathies for his karmas and for being betrayed. Thats all.
Sunder and Gargi,
I am merely saying that if JS does not have a psychiatric evaluation before appointing a third archarya, he opens himself to a challenge later by VS. VS can dispute the appointment of the third archarya claiming that JS was 'incapacitated' and 'mentally troubled' when appointing the third archarya. What is low about this good legal sense? Wills are challenged simply because this is not done. If you think its not a good idea, fine forget it, but we open up to the possibility of the 'war of the two acharyas', which I think is imminent.
And yes Gargi, psychiatric evaluations before writing wills are routine suggestions now, even in India (see Ambanis). And see how disturbed we are that we misunderstand even good suggestions.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->By planting stories thru IANS about how the 'think-tank' opposes falana-falana ????<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dont know what you are talking about. K. Ram did good work and its to be appreciated, but in these recent kanchi events he is a mere spectator. Rest are your dad's imaginary dog's crap and your trademark. While you do good work in this forum with contributions, here, you, a moderator, try to wreck the thread. <!--emo&:o--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ohmy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
K.Ram,
For the third time in 4 months, I am asking please share with us how reform is 'entitlement without responsibilities'. And I have not advocated violence.
Inorder to keep to the topic, I'll respond to seer related issues only.
Pathma
I see something better now. Less hostility somewhat and a bit more humour. And yes we are going of in a tangent a bit, but thats because I have to reexplain my views.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Though if you are in a hurry, I'll recommend you send your Egyptian friend to the Mahila priest school in India pronto. Not sure as to what you are waiting for as you have stated in another thread. It could a small start in right direction.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thank you Viren. I have to make sure the student is fully ready and this is not some fancy choice. Therefore it will take some years. Its easier now to train women priests, but like all wide eyed new converts, they want to serve in a Hindu temple too; and not just any temple but in the princetons and harvards of Hindu temples - Tirupati, Kasi, etc. This is going to be a problem as you know.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't see how 'international pressure' can be brought on Hinduism and not on India. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
International pressure to force India to implement their own laws, to give up job reservations and relinquish control of temples. Why do you think its not a good idea? I need to hear.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Can you define what you mean by 'modestly developed' cause one can say India's not 'modestly developed' even a hundred years from now or conversly it's 'modestly developed' today. Subject definitions lie in the eyes of the beholder.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
By 2010 the per capita income would be about $3,500, poverty levels below 10% and unemployment just below 4%. Thats means a majority of dalits too will not be in poverty. Jobs will be easier to come by and people will change occupations. I see priests leaving their traditional vocations creating a shortage and leaving the field open to non brahmins. Problem solved.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Correct me here Pathma. Within 24 hours of seers arrest when there was hardly any evidence published in media, you had a different position. Why this 180 degree now? Just curious.
On Diwali day when you showed up with a baton to lead a parade to crucify JS, was it against 'JS the seer' or 'JS the man'.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There has been no change of positions as Rajesh would like to imagine. As the seer JS has wrecked his sampradaya and laid bare the image of all brahmins, and the foundations of his sect and its empty traditions. If he is found guilty, he should be punished and that is welcome. Justice is always welcome. As you can amply see, I have not changed positions at all.
As a man who accepts and shoulders this heavy burden, his courage is to be admired and he has our sympathies for his karmas and for being betrayed. Thats all.
Sunder and Gargi,
I am merely saying that if JS does not have a psychiatric evaluation before appointing a third archarya, he opens himself to a challenge later by VS. VS can dispute the appointment of the third archarya claiming that JS was 'incapacitated' and 'mentally troubled' when appointing the third archarya. What is low about this good legal sense? Wills are challenged simply because this is not done. If you think its not a good idea, fine forget it, but we open up to the possibility of the 'war of the two acharyas', which I think is imminent.
And yes Gargi, psychiatric evaluations before writing wills are routine suggestions now, even in India (see Ambanis). And see how disturbed we are that we misunderstand even good suggestions.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->By planting stories thru IANS about how the 'think-tank' opposes falana-falana ????<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dont know what you are talking about. K. Ram did good work and its to be appreciated, but in these recent kanchi events he is a mere spectator. Rest are your dad's imaginary dog's crap and your trademark. While you do good work in this forum with contributions, here, you, a moderator, try to wreck the thread. <!--emo&:o--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ohmy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
K.Ram,
For the third time in 4 months, I am asking please share with us how reform is 'entitlement without responsibilities'. And I have not advocated violence.
Inorder to keep to the topic, I'll respond to seer related issues only.
Pathma