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Pathma,

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Though if you are in a hurry, I'll recommend you send your Egyptian friend to the Mahila priest school in India pronto. Not sure as to what you are waiting for as you have stated in another thread. It could a small start in right direction.
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Thank you Viren. I have to make sure the student is fully ready and this is not some fancy choice. Therefore it will take some years
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So if it's going to take you couple years to make sure *one* student 'is ready' while those Mahila priest centers in India have already trained over 7000 women in past 15+ years, would you agree that they are working on reforms at a lot greater pace than you ever can? But here you are on this very page claim 'time up' when it comes to others working on reforms. A contradiction?


<!--QuoteBegin-Pathmarajah+-->QUOTE(Pathmarajah)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't see how 'international pressure' can be brought on Hinduism and not on India. 
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Well, for one I've said earlier, I'd like those foreigners to clean their own house before they can start advising India. Nevertheless they do it and it's understandable. What's not understandable is a sane person like you advocating this.

Let me give you an example, in US, forty acres and mule were promised to the blacks over 150 years ago. Can your US friends put pressure on the local govt to get an inch (of land) for their black fellow citizens in say Detroit (Michigan - believe NavyaShastra was founded there)?

It's understandable that it's easier for them to work on 'putting pressure' on nation 10,000 miles away to implement it's laws - a profitable venture I might add. And there are Michigan based Paki PR lobby firms too that'll do this job for free too.


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Wishful thinking. Check other so called 'industrialized' or 'developed' nations and check their existing class structure and you'll see this argument doesn't hold any water.

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Take your idea of abolishing reservations (you have my uninanimous support) and see how many dalits will agree with you on the 'easier to come' statement. Check Vikram Masoon's own statements on Dalit leadership not co-operating on bringing forth reforms and you'll get your answers.

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The problem and solution you are putting forth fits like a square peg in round hole. In this globalised economy and evolving world this change is bound to happen. All fields are open to non brahmins if you look around and also it's an open season for anyone taking up this 'reform' cause commercially.


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Correct me here Pathma. Within 24 hours of seers arrest when there was hardly any evidence published in media, you had a different position. Why this 180 degree now? Just curious.

On Diwali day when you showed up with a baton to lead a parade to crucify JS, was it against 'JS the seer' or 'JS the man'.
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There has been no change of positions as Rajesh would like to imagine. As the seer JS has wrecked his sampradaya and laid bare the image of all brahmins, and the foundations of his sect and its empty traditions. If he is found guilty, he should be punished and that is welcome. Justice is always welcome. As you can amply see, I have not changed positions at all.
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Your joy and glee expressed with JS arrest was for 'JS the seer' (per your post) for "laying bare the image of brahmins, sects and empty traditions". But the seer was arrested and was/is on trial for murder!
Of course, justice is welcome - but for the crime committed and not some perceived prejudice.