Vedanta - Discussion Forum I (introductory))

[gangajal]

<!--QuoteBegin-sridhar k+Jan 26 2005, 06:49 AM-->QUOTE(sridhar k @ Jan 26 2005, 06:49 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Gangajalji,
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->brahman = narayana + jiva + jagat<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Or is it naryana +jiva + jagat does not exist independent of Brahman?

Limit Narayana +jiva +jagat = Brahman?
Perception --> end of Maya

(i.e as Sundar ji said, scope limitation. )

Does Ramanujacharya goes and says that there is no nirguna brahman which is beyond (Narayana + jiva + Jagat) or does he restrict his explanation of Shruti and smriti to (Narayana + jiva + jagat). Did Ramanuja ever claim what he said is *the truth* and nothing else is or his sishyakotigal infer it has *the truth*. I infer that Ramanujacharya never talked about Vishitadvaita and only his sisyakotigal like Vedanta desikan coined the name. I remember reading that Vedanta desika as a contemporary and a friend of Vidyaranya <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sridhar ji,
Ramanuja is saying that Brahman is Narayana plus Jiva plus Jagat. Jiva and Jagat form the body of Brahman while Narayana is the Self. You can think of Narayana as the super-Atman while we and the inert nature form the body of Brahman. No limit is being proposed.
Yes, Ramanuja indulges in a long polemics rejecting nirguna Brahman at least as Advaitists understand it. Nirguna means devoid of all bad qualities for Ramanuja. Ramanuja says that attributeless things are not part of anyone's experience and even scripture cannot override this simple and plain fact.
Ramanuja does not talk of Vishistadvaita. Ramanuja is only talking about Vedanta. Yes, Ramanuja surely thinks that his position is the true position.