<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Indians appear to display the higher diversity both in haplogroups 3 and 9 - even if a pooled sample of eastern and southern European populations was considered. If we were to use the same arithmetic and logic (sensu haplogroup 9 is Neolithic) to give an interpretation of this table, then the straightforward suggestion would be that both Neolithic (agriculture)and Indo-European languages arose in India and from there, spread to Europe.
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J as a whole has greatest age in Persia- the Indian expansion is dated slightly earlier than in Anatolia (Oppenheimer has a footnote on the relative ages, and thus dubs J as Jahangir). In all three areas, the expansion is paleolithic; that is, it's very unrealistic to expect a haplo derived directly from F root to remain circumscribed in ME until the neolithic signal is given, especially when the other candidate line (R ) in Europe is from a wholly different, distinctly Asiatic, and phylogenetically later 'process'.
It is quite a scandal that all the "experts" managed to switch IJ and R entry into europe. People are realizing this now.
J is derived directly from F via IJK. F has a number of lines directly from the root exclusive to India and is actually used as a marker for S Indians. Logically, IJ and G (Spencer's first impulse was to place the G locus in Hindu Kush) must have entered ME from the East with first AMH colonization of mideast (then onto Europe); however the expansion is ME. Recolonization from the East is also the only viable explanation for the N.Afr/ME versus Subsaharan genetic break ( as Toba is for S Asia versus SEA ). These events are much earlier than the R expansion out of S Asia.
Indic Mittani managed to gain a foothold in the northern Kurdish hinterlands but could hardly impact the more settled populations in the crescent. Similarly, the relatively established populations in the ME were less affected by the R expansion than the recovering populations along the northern route. R naturally expanded in the direction of least resistance.
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J as a whole has greatest age in Persia- the Indian expansion is dated slightly earlier than in Anatolia (Oppenheimer has a footnote on the relative ages, and thus dubs J as Jahangir). In all three areas, the expansion is paleolithic; that is, it's very unrealistic to expect a haplo derived directly from F root to remain circumscribed in ME until the neolithic signal is given, especially when the other candidate line (R ) in Europe is from a wholly different, distinctly Asiatic, and phylogenetically later 'process'.
It is quite a scandal that all the "experts" managed to switch IJ and R entry into europe. People are realizing this now.
J is derived directly from F via IJK. F has a number of lines directly from the root exclusive to India and is actually used as a marker for S Indians. Logically, IJ and G (Spencer's first impulse was to place the G locus in Hindu Kush) must have entered ME from the East with first AMH colonization of mideast (then onto Europe); however the expansion is ME. Recolonization from the East is also the only viable explanation for the N.Afr/ME versus Subsaharan genetic break ( as Toba is for S Asia versus SEA ). These events are much earlier than the R expansion out of S Asia.
Indic Mittani managed to gain a foothold in the northern Kurdish hinterlands but could hardly impact the more settled populations in the crescent. Similarly, the relatively established populations in the ME were less affected by the R expansion than the recovering populations along the northern route. R naturally expanded in the direction of least resistance.