hg3 = R
hg9 = J
the Last Glacial Maximum (ca. 25,000-13,000 years before the present)link. 20K is the usual figure but some time needs to be given for winding down.
basically, the entire genetic landscape of europe would have been 'traumatized'. this would have been true elsewhere as well, but nothing equivalent to europe; the ice sheet (ntm the steppe tundra) is most prolific in Europe (East Siberia is actually free of the ice sheet and thus could send over N when the opportunity presented). R is too recent and its locus too eastern to have been in europe prior to the last glaciation. To even get in before the last glaciation would have meant a timedate of millenia before 20K. In the pre
We know the movement of R from the east is a fact; finding the exact reason is just secondary. It can very well be husbandry as you mentioned. The euros nonsensically argue for paleo R1b while trying to push the r1a1 date later around 2000 BC due to the 'recent PIE' and AIT dogma. Vinaash kaale. In the future, we will see that ME haplos like J get recruited into the euro IE ummah and all the steppe crusaders will suddenly become chotta renfrews and semitic will be IE'd .
I believe there are 'geostructural' imperatives why europe is situated at the sink end of an overwhelming East to west migration pattern and gradient. Nichols points out that IE, Iranian, Turkic, and Mongolian all spread in similar fashion from the East. Sometimes, the gypsy route through ME is taken, sometime C Asian steppe route. Usually there are components of both.
Gray and Atkinson (same ones who have an eagerly embraced PIE in Anatolia article) have determined that India was a major population center harboring 60% of humanity in prehistory link. IJ, G are the only real candidate lines for paleo colonization of the ME; they must have started out from near the Hindu Kush after wintering there in the period from 80K -50K; 50/55K is the settlement of ME; E Europe- 45K; W Europe gets settled only at 33K; and there is a very clear interface between neanders and AMH in Europe, with the Neanders retreating. AMH was probably hemmed in Interior Asia by Neanders in C Asia, ME, And Europe, until the advent of UP. Late settlement of ME/Europe is quite sensible when we consider that E Siberia was similarly settled from the South; in fact Southern route had allowed E Siberia to be settled earlier. There is some oceanic current which warms europe otherwise its geographical position is similar to E Siberia. Geographically and historically, it is a culdesac (witzel's term for India).
Image Search for Indian albinos; there was definitely a dark "caucasoid" predecessor for the euros, they didn't spontaneously regenerate from the steppe tundra, lo and behold there is a 1.5 billion dark caucasoid powerhouse strategically located in the center of Eurasia harboring both F and C in abundance; there are four or so F lines from the root in india; only H has been given a letter designation. You will actually hear some dismiss india as a progenitor for later lines because of the abundance of F. It is like saying that grandfather and son cannot be in same room.
J is Kurdistan (iraqi-persian) and preneolithic; I will try to dig up the references.
H is gypsy when it is found in those populations. It can be Sindoi, mittani, Kassite, as well. L is in Druze. R2 and L in Caucasus and Kurdistan, where indic kingdoms were set up. Recently someone tried to tie H in Ukraine to aryan invasion until reminded of the gypsy connection. Sindoi were in Pontoc steppe and were referred as an "Indian people"
R is not even being discussed now. They are suddenly uninterested and all the talk is about "clusters", russian cluster, polish cluster, greek cluster. Jones cluster, "Simpson cluster"....
IE is simply a gypsy migration which became acclimatized.
hg9 = J
the Last Glacial Maximum (ca. 25,000-13,000 years before the present)link. 20K is the usual figure but some time needs to be given for winding down.
basically, the entire genetic landscape of europe would have been 'traumatized'. this would have been true elsewhere as well, but nothing equivalent to europe; the ice sheet (ntm the steppe tundra) is most prolific in Europe (East Siberia is actually free of the ice sheet and thus could send over N when the opportunity presented). R is too recent and its locus too eastern to have been in europe prior to the last glaciation. To even get in before the last glaciation would have meant a timedate of millenia before 20K. In the pre
We know the movement of R from the east is a fact; finding the exact reason is just secondary. It can very well be husbandry as you mentioned. The euros nonsensically argue for paleo R1b while trying to push the r1a1 date later around 2000 BC due to the 'recent PIE' and AIT dogma. Vinaash kaale. In the future, we will see that ME haplos like J get recruited into the euro IE ummah and all the steppe crusaders will suddenly become chotta renfrews and semitic will be IE'd .
I believe there are 'geostructural' imperatives why europe is situated at the sink end of an overwhelming East to west migration pattern and gradient. Nichols points out that IE, Iranian, Turkic, and Mongolian all spread in similar fashion from the East. Sometimes, the gypsy route through ME is taken, sometime C Asian steppe route. Usually there are components of both.
Gray and Atkinson (same ones who have an eagerly embraced PIE in Anatolia article) have determined that India was a major population center harboring 60% of humanity in prehistory link. IJ, G are the only real candidate lines for paleo colonization of the ME; they must have started out from near the Hindu Kush after wintering there in the period from 80K -50K; 50/55K is the settlement of ME; E Europe- 45K; W Europe gets settled only at 33K; and there is a very clear interface between neanders and AMH in Europe, with the Neanders retreating. AMH was probably hemmed in Interior Asia by Neanders in C Asia, ME, And Europe, until the advent of UP. Late settlement of ME/Europe is quite sensible when we consider that E Siberia was similarly settled from the South; in fact Southern route had allowed E Siberia to be settled earlier. There is some oceanic current which warms europe otherwise its geographical position is similar to E Siberia. Geographically and historically, it is a culdesac (witzel's term for India).
Image Search for Indian albinos; there was definitely a dark "caucasoid" predecessor for the euros, they didn't spontaneously regenerate from the steppe tundra, lo and behold there is a 1.5 billion dark caucasoid powerhouse strategically located in the center of Eurasia harboring both F and C in abundance; there are four or so F lines from the root in india; only H has been given a letter designation. You will actually hear some dismiss india as a progenitor for later lines because of the abundance of F. It is like saying that grandfather and son cannot be in same room.
J is Kurdistan (iraqi-persian) and preneolithic; I will try to dig up the references.
H is gypsy when it is found in those populations. It can be Sindoi, mittani, Kassite, as well. L is in Druze. R2 and L in Caucasus and Kurdistan, where indic kingdoms were set up. Recently someone tried to tie H in Ukraine to aryan invasion until reminded of the gypsy connection. Sindoi were in Pontoc steppe and were referred as an "Indian people"
R is not even being discussed now. They are suddenly uninterested and all the talk is about "clusters", russian cluster, polish cluster, greek cluster. Jones cluster, "Simpson cluster"....
IE is simply a gypsy migration which became acclimatized.