01-03-2010, 09:19 AM
[url="http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1410-unmasking-ait/page__view__findpost__p__103273"]Re: post1[/url] [url="http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1410-unmasking-ait/page__view__findpost__p__103264"]Post 2[/url]
These Spencerwalas always manage to implicate diversity as a sign of exclusivity...
The article is discussing the origins of C which is a minor clade in India and a brother of the pan-eurasian F. If C originates in India, then this strengthens the origin of F in India as well. Along with the facts that:
Europe was a Neantherthal lebensraum,
proven differential settlement of Europe versus Northern India and Tropical Asia,
the exclusive presence of minor F clades in India,
MNOPS' Eastern center of gravity,
an Indian counterpart L to transcontinental T
an Indian counterpart H to Iranian/ME G
exclusive presence of minor K clades in India ....
.. The single southern coastal migration is a given at this stage.
An important quote from the herrenvolk forum (in case it disappears):
These Spencerwalas always manage to implicate diversity as a sign of exclusivity...
The article is discussing the origins of C which is a minor clade in India and a brother of the pan-eurasian F. If C originates in India, then this strengthens the origin of F in India as well. Along with the facts that:
Europe was a Neantherthal lebensraum,
proven differential settlement of Europe versus Northern India and Tropical Asia,
the exclusive presence of minor F clades in India,
MNOPS' Eastern center of gravity,
an Indian counterpart L to transcontinental T
an Indian counterpart H to Iranian/ME G
exclusive presence of minor K clades in India ....
.. The single southern coastal migration is a given at this stage.
An important quote from the herrenvolk forum (in case it disappears):
Quote:I presume that your "K", is what was recently described as MNOPS macro-haplogroup and that this is the same as previously detected as NOP. So basically it's K(xL,T), right?
Hence there is authoctonous IJK and K (your "KT") in India: it's called L and K1. It is not totally impossible that some of the ignored F-number lineages, that are mostly South Asian, also belong to IJK.
Whatever the case at the state of the art of Y-DNA knowledge F looks a lot like South Asian in origin, with 4/7 described subhaplogroups exclussive of the subcontinent. What IJK and K did after is more complicated to explain admittedly but, considering that IJ is West Eurasian and MNOPS looks as having a SE Asian homeland, I would not hurry in discarding a central role for South Asia in this secondary process anyhow. Y-DNA lineages obviously can either roll over or vanish too easily and the possible minor haplogroups in all these new matriushka subsets of F are still totally unresearched. Remember that before the "F*" diversity was somehow understood almost nobody thought this lineage had a South Asian origin, but a Western one. The same is surely the case with all these new sublineages: we only see the big stuff and we must be missing crucial details in the "asterisk" zone.