[quote name='Swamy G' date='19 December 2009 - 03:40 AM' timestamp='1261173741' post='103040']
blogs.abc.net.au/religion/2009/12/is-yoga-hindu.html
Is yoga Hindu?
[color="#800080"](Does the pope wear a dress?)[/color]
[...]
However, the PWR panel included Dr Amir Farid Isahak, a medical practitioner and the Chairman of Interfaith Spiritual Fellowship Malaysia: he said there was no problem, provided a Muslim understood what they were getting into. His Holiness Satguru Bodhinatha Veylanswami (publisher of Hinduism Today) remarked that if you have the root of Hinduism, then the stem is Hinduism, and the flower is Hinduism. Another panellist, Professor Christopher Key Chapple, explained that yoga had traces of Jain and Buddhist elements in it too.
The Moderator of this session, Rev Ellen Grace Oââ¬â¢Brian, runs the Centre for Spiritual Enlightenment in San Jose, California. [color="#0000FF"]Rev O'Brian said that yes, yoga had Vedic origins, and she certainly draws on the Patanjali Sutra, though at her centre they taught it as a spiritual practice for people of all religious backgrounds. Thus, at her Sunday morning ââ¬Ëservicesââ¬â¢ she wears a stole like a minister. She offers a Winter Solstice Mass and at her Christmas Eve noon service , ââ¬Ëwith the beautiful ritual of the burning bowlââ¬â¢ theyââ¬â¢ll make offerings of frankincense.[/color]
[color="#800080"](Christianism is the religion of thievery, lying and genocidal mania. That's why the reverend makes the same move the early church fathers did when they stole from Hellenismos: first admit that everything is from Hellenism while stealing it, since the Hellenes are alive and aware. And then eventually declare it was christian all along - after having killed all Hellenes and Hellenismos.
The bottomless pit of Hindu stupidity.)[/color]
So, more questions: who really owns a tradition? And what is the fate of Hinduism when its offspring takes off, as yoga has done in the West? And finally, what happens to traditions when they encounter each other not at their respective centres, but at points a long way distant from those meaningful core places?
[color="#800080"]("What happens?" What do people *think* happens? The same thing that happened to Hellenismos when the terrorism of christianism sucked its life out. Stupid questions. AKA invitation to interfaith dialogue.)[/color][/quote]
"Who really owns Yoga?"
Asking so innocently, as if they don't know. As if it's an open question with an open answer.
It belongs to Hindu Dharma, the knowledge comes from Hindu Gods. (Various Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita cover Yoga and are about union with Hindu Gods. Another example is Tirumandiram which is also about Yoga, and this knowledge - which Tirumoolar derived from Shiva - is about Shiva.)
Jaina Dharma too (don't know what forms Jains practice), meditation also belongs to Bauddha Dharma (IIRC, Buddha apparently found the other forms of Yoga a waste of time and discouraged followers from the unnecessary pursuit of them, though Brahmanas who later converted to Bauddha Dharma still kept to some practices they had been performing. See Encarta Encyclopaedia I think it was, one of the 1996-1999 CD-Roms. And also an article written by a Chinese Buddhist, which I just don't have, never saved, and am not going to bother looking up.)
All the above dialoguing by christianism is only to slowly steal Yoga from Hindus while distracting us with their meaningless words of how the ownership idea is "all relative, a matter of perception, a process", blablabla. "Can it really only belong to Hindus? Can't we all share in it? It isn't really religious. It's devoid of religion. (So that means tomorrow it can actually be about jeebus, which we will announce tomorrow.)"
It's a transfer of ownership by daylight robbery. And doubtless many Hindus are too much in a deep slumber - feeling complimented by the fact that the christoterrorists "appreciate" Yoga enough to "practice it too" or to "feel it is a part of their lives". This is not a compliment. It's not flattery when someone decides your moorthy of Bhagavan is so beautiful, he steals it while distracting you with his compliments (declaring that "something so beautiful must belong to everybody to be truly appreciated"), and then sticks it on a cross and uses it as a jeebus crucifix. And thereafter they invite you over to allow you to admire it too and suggest that you start praying to it.
When will Hindus learn? Nothing Hindu is shareable. It's not shareable property.
Same as how Tai Chi - including the martial art form of it - isn't merely exercise and is NOT shareable property, as if it were something secular. Now watch the following from an Australian site secularising Tai Chi all away into mere "healty exercise" again, which is "therefore universal". That it is healthy and has the good effects of exercise is a natural side-effect. But that is not the purpose of Tai Chi. Tai Chi is a deeply religious practice as Daoists have explained, and belongs to Daoism. Comparable to how Chakra Yoga in Hindu Dharma is about our Gods, Tai Chi is entirely about the Yin-Yang (which is central to Daoism and is the unified spiritual essence of their Gods - something like Purusha-Prakriti or Shiva-Shakti).
aww.ninemsn.com.au/dietandhealth/healthnews/928857/tai-chi-helps-stroke-patients
Cheap entry from wackypedia, doesn't contain all, but I can't be bothered googling:
Great. Look at the end of this paragraph on how the sneaky west starts claiming that Tai Chi's Daoist roots "can't be proven to be historical", so "the connection must all be some modern claim". These new conclusions are appended at the end to override the earlier references to works on the *religious* (Daoist) origins of Tai-Chi.
It's to make Tai Chi secular, so that it can be stolen:
This is all so infuriating. I don't get how christianism gets away with theft, mass-murder, and lies when there are still heathens on this planet to do something. It's because of traitors who are facilitating all this. They're the ones who fly off to the west and advertise for "healthy Yoga exercise", "which is really not religious", as if they own it and as if it's theirs to share. Tai Chi has the same problem apparently. So christians conclude "what great fools these heathens are, they're just going to let us steal it all from them".
One day, Hindus may grow a brain - stranger things have happened - and imitate the more enlightened Lakota, Dakota, Nakota Native American communities (I'm sorry if I misspelled) who have declared that the west should keep its Paws Off its traditions. They also declared that any of their own kind who sell/teach/... sacred Native American knowledge, skills and materials (any part of their indivisible identity) to the west/to outside the Native American community are traitors, and to be regarded as traitors by their own.
When that day of sense finally dawns, it will be too late for the Hindoos. Want: Wanneer de koe verdronken is, dempt men de put. (It's when the cow has drowned that people finally close up the well.)
blogs.abc.net.au/religion/2009/12/is-yoga-hindu.html
Is yoga Hindu?
[color="#800080"](Does the pope wear a dress?)[/color]
[...]
However, the PWR panel included Dr Amir Farid Isahak, a medical practitioner and the Chairman of Interfaith Spiritual Fellowship Malaysia: he said there was no problem, provided a Muslim understood what they were getting into. His Holiness Satguru Bodhinatha Veylanswami (publisher of Hinduism Today) remarked that if you have the root of Hinduism, then the stem is Hinduism, and the flower is Hinduism. Another panellist, Professor Christopher Key Chapple, explained that yoga had traces of Jain and Buddhist elements in it too.
The Moderator of this session, Rev Ellen Grace Oââ¬â¢Brian, runs the Centre for Spiritual Enlightenment in San Jose, California. [color="#0000FF"]Rev O'Brian said that yes, yoga had Vedic origins, and she certainly draws on the Patanjali Sutra, though at her centre they taught it as a spiritual practice for people of all religious backgrounds. Thus, at her Sunday morning ââ¬Ëservicesââ¬â¢ she wears a stole like a minister. She offers a Winter Solstice Mass and at her Christmas Eve noon service , ââ¬Ëwith the beautiful ritual of the burning bowlââ¬â¢ theyââ¬â¢ll make offerings of frankincense.[/color]
[color="#800080"](Christianism is the religion of thievery, lying and genocidal mania. That's why the reverend makes the same move the early church fathers did when they stole from Hellenismos: first admit that everything is from Hellenism while stealing it, since the Hellenes are alive and aware. And then eventually declare it was christian all along - after having killed all Hellenes and Hellenismos.
The bottomless pit of Hindu stupidity.)[/color]
So, more questions: who really owns a tradition? And what is the fate of Hinduism when its offspring takes off, as yoga has done in the West? And finally, what happens to traditions when they encounter each other not at their respective centres, but at points a long way distant from those meaningful core places?
[color="#800080"]("What happens?" What do people *think* happens? The same thing that happened to Hellenismos when the terrorism of christianism sucked its life out. Stupid questions. AKA invitation to interfaith dialogue.)[/color][/quote]
"Who really owns Yoga?"
Asking so innocently, as if they don't know. As if it's an open question with an open answer.
It belongs to Hindu Dharma, the knowledge comes from Hindu Gods. (Various Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita cover Yoga and are about union with Hindu Gods. Another example is Tirumandiram which is also about Yoga, and this knowledge - which Tirumoolar derived from Shiva - is about Shiva.)
Jaina Dharma too (don't know what forms Jains practice), meditation also belongs to Bauddha Dharma (IIRC, Buddha apparently found the other forms of Yoga a waste of time and discouraged followers from the unnecessary pursuit of them, though Brahmanas who later converted to Bauddha Dharma still kept to some practices they had been performing. See Encarta Encyclopaedia I think it was, one of the 1996-1999 CD-Roms. And also an article written by a Chinese Buddhist, which I just don't have, never saved, and am not going to bother looking up.)
All the above dialoguing by christianism is only to slowly steal Yoga from Hindus while distracting us with their meaningless words of how the ownership idea is "all relative, a matter of perception, a process", blablabla. "Can it really only belong to Hindus? Can't we all share in it? It isn't really religious. It's devoid of religion. (So that means tomorrow it can actually be about jeebus, which we will announce tomorrow.)"
It's a transfer of ownership by daylight robbery. And doubtless many Hindus are too much in a deep slumber - feeling complimented by the fact that the christoterrorists "appreciate" Yoga enough to "practice it too" or to "feel it is a part of their lives". This is not a compliment. It's not flattery when someone decides your moorthy of Bhagavan is so beautiful, he steals it while distracting you with his compliments (declaring that "something so beautiful must belong to everybody to be truly appreciated"), and then sticks it on a cross and uses it as a jeebus crucifix. And thereafter they invite you over to allow you to admire it too and suggest that you start praying to it.
When will Hindus learn? Nothing Hindu is shareable. It's not shareable property.
Same as how Tai Chi - including the martial art form of it - isn't merely exercise and is NOT shareable property, as if it were something secular. Now watch the following from an Australian site secularising Tai Chi all away into mere "healty exercise" again, which is "therefore universal". That it is healthy and has the good effects of exercise is a natural side-effect. But that is not the purpose of Tai Chi. Tai Chi is a deeply religious practice as Daoists have explained, and belongs to Daoism. Comparable to how Chakra Yoga in Hindu Dharma is about our Gods, Tai Chi is entirely about the Yin-Yang (which is central to Daoism and is the unified spiritual essence of their Gods - something like Purusha-Prakriti or Shiva-Shakti).
aww.ninemsn.com.au/dietandhealth/healthnews/928857/tai-chi-helps-stroke-patients
Quote:Tai chi helps stroke patientsWhich "god" does that comment refer to? *Not* the Gods/Yin-Yang of Daoism.
Pamela Allardice
Thursday, November 26, 2009
In a study published in Neurorehabilitation and Neural Repair, Hong Kong researchers have discovered that tai chi can significantly improve quality of life in survivors of stroke.
Stroke victims are often left with balancing problems which may not be addressed by conventional physiotherapy.
However, the particular skills taught in tai chi ââ¬â especially the ability to maintain balance while shifting weight and leaning in different directions ââ¬â was shown to be of special benefit in helping these people face real-life challenges, such as standing in a bus or coordinating head, torso and limb movements while reaching for an item in the supermarket.
As a bonus, tai chi classes cost less than conventional physiotherapy and provide an opportunity for social interaction.
Your say: What do you think of these findings? Have you tried tai chi? Share with us below... [color="#800080"](They don't mean "Have you 'tried' Daoism?")[/color]
1-5 of 5 comments
Tai ChiPosted by: sue, victoria, on 14/12/2009 3:49:35 PM
I have been doing tai chi for 5 years now, doing a weekly class. Sometimes i don't feel like going out at night, but by the end of the class I feel like i have more energy and better feeling of well being. I haven't had a stroke, thank God, but it helps our balance and whatever exercise you do on one side, you do on the other. I love it and intend to continue tai chi into old age.
Cheap entry from wackypedia, doesn't contain all, but I can't be bothered googling:
Quote:The concept of the Taiji "supreme ultimate" appears in both Taoist and Confucian Chinese philosophy where it represents the fusion or mother[1] of Yin and Yang into a single ultimate, represented by the Taijitu symbol. Thus, tai chi theory and practice evolved in agreement with many of the principles of Chinese philosophy including both Taoism and Confucianism.Daoists explain its origins and meaning better.
[color="#800080"](Philosophy - is the word the west uses when it tries to divorce philosophy from religion: it's in fact one of the first words the west uses to steal religious material. "It's not religious, it's 'mere' philosophy." Then "it's universal/good for everyone's health". Eventually they declare it was about that non-existent terrorist jeebus all along.)[/color]
[1] ^ Cheng Man-ch'ing (1993). Cheng-Tzu's Thirteen Treatises on T'ai Chi Ch'uan. North Atlantic Books. p. 21. ISBN 978-0938190455.
Great. Look at the end of this paragraph on how the sneaky west starts claiming that Tai Chi's Daoist roots "can't be proven to be historical", so "the connection must all be some modern claim". These new conclusions are appended at the end to override the earlier references to works on the *religious* (Daoist) origins of Tai-Chi.
It's to make Tai Chi secular, so that it can be stolen:
Quote:When tracing tai chi chuan's formative influences to Taoist and Buddhist monasteries, there seems little more to go on than legendary tales from a modern historical perspective, but tai chi chuan's practical connection to and dependence upon the theories of Sung dynasty Neo-Confucianism (a conscious synthesis of Taoist, Buddhist and Confucian traditions, especially the teachings of Mencius) is claimed by some traditional schools.[2] Tai chi's theories and practice are believed by these schools to have been formulated by the Taoist monk Zhang Sanfeng in the 12th century, at about the same time that the principles of the Neo-Confucian school were making themselves felt in Chinese intellectual life.[2] However, modern research casts serious doubts on the validity of those claims, pointing out that a 17th century piece called "Epitaph for Wang Zhengnan" (1669), composed by Huang Zongxi (1610-1695 A.D.) is the earliest reference indicating any connection between Zhang Sanfeng and martial arts whatsoever, and must not be taken literally but must be understood as a political metaphor instead. Claims of connections between Tai Chi and Zhang Sanfeng appear no earlier than the 19th century. [10]
[2] ^ a b c d e Wile, Douglas (2007). "Taijiquan and Taoism from Religion to Martial Art and Martial Art to Religion". Journal of Asian Martial Arts (Via Media Publishing) 16 (4). ISSN 1057-8358.
This is all so infuriating. I don't get how christianism gets away with theft, mass-murder, and lies when there are still heathens on this planet to do something. It's because of traitors who are facilitating all this. They're the ones who fly off to the west and advertise for "healthy Yoga exercise", "which is really not religious", as if they own it and as if it's theirs to share. Tai Chi has the same problem apparently. So christians conclude "what great fools these heathens are, they're just going to let us steal it all from them".
One day, Hindus may grow a brain - stranger things have happened - and imitate the more enlightened Lakota, Dakota, Nakota Native American communities (I'm sorry if I misspelled) who have declared that the west should keep its Paws Off its traditions. They also declared that any of their own kind who sell/teach/... sacred Native American knowledge, skills and materials (any part of their indivisible identity) to the west/to outside the Native American community are traitors, and to be regarded as traitors by their own.
When that day of sense finally dawns, it will be too late for the Hindoos. Want: Wanneer de koe verdronken is, dempt men de put. (It's when the cow has drowned that people finally close up the well.)