01-29-2010, 08:01 PM
[quote name='dhu' date='29 January 2010 - 08:50 AM' timestamp='1264734730' post='103769']
Dualism is an interpretation artifact, probably imposed by the modern (or ancient) indologist upon the original experiential tradition; Shukracharya/Rakshasa-Deva "dichotomy" in Dharma can be similarly transformed.
It is important to note that while Christianity cannot be deemed an external colonial force in the (Western) Empire, Persia's encounters the full brunt of Islam as a fully developed colonial force. All the indications are that the (eg) John-Yohannes discourse of the Gospels developed with the Empire, and not within Persia.
It is quite likely that they were ancient inculturation attempts upon Mani's/Zoroaster's teachings and we are only viewing the end result of the effort. Modern Indologist recasting in a theological mold is also likely.
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For Acharya:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeism#O..._religions
See how they have grouped "Proto-Indo-Iranian Religions" with the minor Christist sects.
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There was bhagavata doctrine in north-west India which correspond whit the zoroastrian doctrine near-by.In north-east India dominant was sramana doctrine.
There was 3 types of gods corresponding whit 3 planes(earth ,atmosphere,sky) .There was devas,asuras and daevas.In vedic and bhagavata doctrines, they were simplified as devas(mostly good ones) and asuras(uniting asuras and daevas),while in zoroastrianism asuras were united whit devas(good ones) and daevas alone become the bad ones.This is how dualism has spread .
Is false that bhagavata doctrine was born from christian influence;the pillar of Heliodoros dedicated to Vasudeva was 185 years older then christianism.And there are mentions in literature for an least 400BC.
Is not about monotheism or polytheism ,we know that the Absolute is one and many in the same time.
Zoroastrians,just like greeks, were influenced in their after-death belives by the semitic-sumerian believes.
After that the battle among 4 nationalist religions started between iranians,jews,arameans and arabs.From these 4 only arabs belived that all world should be converted(inclusive by force).I didnt include christianism that a greek-roman stuff(though also from semitic religious nationalism-tribalism culture).
Dualism is an interpretation artifact, probably imposed by the modern (or ancient) indologist upon the original experiential tradition; Shukracharya/Rakshasa-Deva "dichotomy" in Dharma can be similarly transformed.
It is important to note that while Christianity cannot be deemed an external colonial force in the (Western) Empire, Persia's encounters the full brunt of Islam as a fully developed colonial force. All the indications are that the (eg) John-Yohannes discourse of the Gospels developed with the Empire, and not within Persia.
It is quite likely that they were ancient inculturation attempts upon Mani's/Zoroaster's teachings and we are only viewing the end result of the effort. Modern Indologist recasting in a theological mold is also likely.
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For Acharya:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeism#O..._religions
See how they have grouped "Proto-Indo-Iranian Religions" with the minor Christist sects.
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There was bhagavata doctrine in north-west India which correspond whit the zoroastrian doctrine near-by.In north-east India dominant was sramana doctrine.
There was 3 types of gods corresponding whit 3 planes(earth ,atmosphere,sky) .There was devas,asuras and daevas.In vedic and bhagavata doctrines, they were simplified as devas(mostly good ones) and asuras(uniting asuras and daevas),while in zoroastrianism asuras were united whit devas(good ones) and daevas alone become the bad ones.This is how dualism has spread .
Is false that bhagavata doctrine was born from christian influence;the pillar of Heliodoros dedicated to Vasudeva was 185 years older then christianism.And there are mentions in literature for an least 400BC.
Is not about monotheism or polytheism ,we know that the Absolute is one and many in the same time.
Zoroastrians,just like greeks, were influenced in their after-death belives by the semitic-sumerian believes.
After that the battle among 4 nationalist religions started between iranians,jews,arameans and arabs.From these 4 only arabs belived that all world should be converted(inclusive by force).I didnt include christianism that a greek-roman stuff(though also from semitic religious nationalism-tribalism culture).