01-31-2010, 10:35 PM
Aren't mormons those who think that black skin is a sin?
Talks between smoker and romani
smoker-
between them it is, but compared to other religions they are not tolerant. fighting between followers of Hinduism (in its various forms) and Muslims have long history in India, with many victims and guilty of both sides. just recently have been violent in 2002 resulted in several hundred dead, with the intervention force (with firearms) the authorities, etc..
romani-
Muslims start it..Whit them doesnt goes with nice words .KOran order them to kill non-musulmani.Hindusii practice defending themselfs.
smoker-
have been incidents in which Hindus have started fighting, burning Muslim neighborhoods. do not try to move come just a camp. History is as yet as they came from Hindu islamicii and not vice versa, but I meant my most recent incidents in the last 50 years.
1-What counts if is recent.Musulmanii are not changed (of course not change, just they read pages of the Koran full of hate). Just do not expect Muslims to come to attack you and you just want to defend . How Muslims do not let others alone what to expect to be left alone?
2)-Well that's precisely the problem with the Bible-Koran, as such there is very incoherent pasages.God of them commandments about love but you send in eternal hell.
sorin-
Forgive me, but discrimination and generalization that you do not display all honesty.
We forbid all led by fate to reach any kind of fanatics that will flow rivers of blood. AcestiN advantage always precarious political situations and ascend the wave using the discontent and revolt population. Remember that in South America there were numerous military dictatorships disfavor at the beginning, those who gave military junta coup. Maybe you should I talk about terrorism and the like. But then I want to remind you that the planet exists IRA and Basques who are neither Muslim nor religious fanatics. Terrorism is a guerrilla struggle carried out by the military against civilians organized a state whose authority a challenge.
I want to bring you to the fact that jihad is more turned against the Christians in the last millennium since the Crusades had aroused the whole mess. But because of their Arab caliphate declined to replace, that territory Arab instaurandu the Ottoman Empire. On the other hand, Muslims are constantly assaulted both military and cultural. Basically, in this world dominated by western civilization they are too close not to be perceived as a thorn in the side.
So let's leave a softer with definitions Jihad, especially that if you're interested, you see that Jihad refers more to a fight the human soul with evil temptations of any kind should be. It's a spiritual battle. But you can interpret it how you want, depending on how you were fanatical. It's like the cover of women. The moderate Muslims are using only a bandana, the fundamentalist is covered from head to toe ...
Romani-
Im not discriminate than those that discriminate.
Why should I respect those who want to kill me because I do not believe them?
We know that Muhammad was a murderer (besides the fact that rape women and children). I do not see why Muslims should hide what is described herself would recognize the writings of lor.An least yes sir, believe in one God, immoral and sadistic . It wants to ensure that it is much stronger than us even if it is immoral.
Islam has been violent from the beginning, Muslims attacked the Christians first.
There appear Christianity, this religion is just as violent as Islam.
There are religious but political ideology (like Nazism or communism).
Christians or Muslims ,moderates are those who close their eyes to the flaws of their religion.
smoker-
I think everywhere.
The idea that they want to kill you because they do not believe that is false if one applies to most. Remember that many Christians traveling, working or living in Muslim countries. Many Muslims go in many countries Christians and not kill anyone. I do not see why you are so on. Most often refers to his religion with the same fervent that do many Christians of this forum. But the same hypocrisy. They do not want to kill you. They want to kill some individuals who by chance are Christians. And I refer to Westerners. And not all Westerners were subjected to Muslim terrorism but especially the U.S., Britain and their allies the most important. The reasons are more political than religious. On the other hand the law of retaliation. In Muslim martyr is not interested in him as killing "innocent people". Cousin and his wife was innocent when they threw it in the air and shot her soldiers do not know what. This is about frustration, about the desire to pay with evil, evil done. And the river that are made is in abundance, any of the support you.
Muhammad was a murderer because he looked like he was a victim, as people are intolerant, etc.. He lived in a world of violence and behave as such, which no excuse. It's just an observation. Please search film The Message (1976) with Anthony Quinn. It's less romantic, but not more than Quo Vadis. You note that the first Muslims were treated and discriminated against as well as Christians. They were surrounded by polytheist and were poorly understood. That always happens when you are minoritarian.
They hide many details because it is embarrassed. Many Muslims are not exactly thrilled by the work of fanatics. But Allah is not God more a sadistic and immoral than the Old Testament. Please do not forget that the people of Israel used the ground when he conquered the Holy Land polytheism saying that God inchinatorilor support against the idols. Like thread would be justified in any way shares. Decimated the population of the area as "obladuirea" God with nothing affects you not many see. I do not perceive any difference between Muhammad and Joshua for example.
romani-
nor d i see any difference
I was shocked to read (I was 14 years) as written in the Bible about Joshua, Moise.Chiar did not expect such things to be written in the Bible.
Mohamed was treated bad (though meccansi have endured insulting at their gods for 10 years until they jumped the mustard) but this is not a justification for Mohamad to rape or looting caravans to make some money.
romani-
Paragraph 3 shall contradict the point 2.dont understand what you mean.
Yes, Hesychasm is a good example.
Well, atheists, Buddhists and Hindus can demonstrate their more logical doctrinele.Asta doctrines can be shown taking point by point, which would take quite some time.
Atheists can argue logically that have more evidence for non-existent God.
Vishnuitii may argue that I believe God multipersonal (Holy Infinitime) is higher multipersonal God (Holy Trinity) of Christians.
Can demonstrate experience what Buddhists believe, offers ways to see the spiritual world of reincarnation is a concept exemplu.is more logical than original sin.
No one knows who they were Aryans and where they came (if coming) have to wait more proofs.Oricum I refer to philosophers and theologians that Hindus tolerate the right of others to disagree (as opposed to abrahamics), not to kings and boyars.
In conclusion propose parallel reading Bhagavat Gita, Bible, and Pali Canon and Richard Dawkins.then we will see who is superior.
1. Christian eschatology deals with individual destiny ... The immortality of the soul ... The Universal is working with Parus ...
In Hinduism there is no such thing ... blending Therefore, identification with Brahman is the end ... That's not immortality ... There, you, the individual no longer exist ...
Antisomatismul Hindu is obvious .. you do not understand? Well, not to any Hindu to escape the cycle of reincarnation? The meat is not good, the Hindus ... You have to run it ...
Anticosmismul Hindu? Is not it a Hindu, if he wants to transceadÃÆ must "break" the world? Wrong somehow?
2. Really?
Well, let me see him and the atheist guy ...
... Vià Ÿnu not God, in all attributes of classical ... It's not even a god who creates, directly ... It's like, if I remember well, more like Zeus or Cronus ... earlier you said something "superior" monotheism vià Ÿnuit ... I show it to me, monotheism is? I can not understand that word ... Not "see" the Brahma and Siva ... And, between you and it if he beat us in monotheism, this class gives them all ... God I know I , sikhà Ÿii are only as far as, monotheistic p there ...
Buddhism is so good that your much-beloved Hindu him expelled from the country ... It is a total negativity ... is a logical product of Hinduism ... It was natural that such a thought like that antisomaticÃÆ Hindi, to produce such an ... abortion ...
Reincarnation is a concept unhappy ... A product of thinking unfortunate that, in fact appears to others, the ancient Greeks, for example ...
3. Um, the Hindu philosophers and theologians do you mean? Well, of course tolerate the right of others to have opinions ... They do not tolerate the idea that one 'of their own people can reach "sannyas" thing, or as he says ... I mean, in translation, if you are born elsewhere , goodbye Brahman ...
Gita that writing is a relatively new, newer than the oldest strata of the Christian canon, is not it? ... We all p met here, the views of "experts" on the age of Hinduism ... Only a few texts are in The old, right? And they hardly relate to current religion there ... You want, on the basis of such texts, to wear a debate with me? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! ... Well, we now are facing an era of interpretation, mate ... No, the book does not deal with Christians "liberal" as Overseas they are ... I prefer non-religious, but I pray ...
Oh, you want to "ally" with Dawkins? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! ... With amatoru 'that? Well, you have the impression that I'm also interested cosmogoniile, myths of the emergence of life and all that when I look at a religion? No, dear, I am interested in the man, my dear man ... Where is the man to Hindus, that I want to let you know ... Gita, that if you get it in November and to me tellin 'me how you learn god Krishna, who is god Vià Ÿnu (those who do not understand how the hell is a god, in fact, another god, do not be surprised - it is the Hindus - these guys are a little mixed, about ... undefined so little .. . amorphous, lack of personality, not only that this is their goal in life, to .. be all water and an earth, with bag, with pig, etc., to her personality did not gods!) on boy to take the war to all the brothers and cumnaà £ii and that other nations had it there ... Pacifist mesaju p 'lu' Krishna, who is Vià Ÿnu is? Listen, Mahatma Gandhi That's not precisely about the incarnation of his Vià Ÿnu, is not it? To see what ... "effort allegorical" you do, if I take less of "wisdom" Indian ...
So how could such a religion, to establish that some of his own practicing, any form, the ankles are at stake? Yes' to bet you have had? Yes' bet those guys can give up the world? Have this right? Well, Hindus or your not "see" p-Those ... Um, those guys were not people, right?
Hindus your, baby, you have established between them, between their consângenii, discrimination never seen before, the word ... They with their own, not with strangers ... they, among themselves, not to grant the status of man ... And height of hypocrisy, while others, in this case Muslims, do not regard them, people complain ... Well, why complain?
Well, Allah is Vià Ÿnu precisely, if we think a little ... His Vià Ÿnu and it seems likely that Hindus are not too weary to dispense with the world, with sannyas that and thought to do something for the purposes of this ... Allah is precisely an avatar of him Vià Ÿnu, I say ...
Regained seriously, and I say, it Paraphrasing Marx ... uninteresting explanations about how the world is and how it came ... interesting idea: we have a world we do with it? Please tell me, mate, that is the Vishnu "project" for the world. Let us compare whit the project of Jesus ...
YOur Hindus , they have established between them,, discrimination never seen before, the word ... They with their own, not with strangers ... they, among themselves, do not grant the status of man ... And height of hypocrisy, while others, in this case Muslims, do not regard them, people complain ... Well, why complain?
Talks between smoker and romani
smoker-
between them it is, but compared to other religions they are not tolerant. fighting between followers of Hinduism (in its various forms) and Muslims have long history in India, with many victims and guilty of both sides. just recently have been violent in 2002 resulted in several hundred dead, with the intervention force (with firearms) the authorities, etc..
romani-
Muslims start it..Whit them doesnt goes with nice words .KOran order them to kill non-musulmani.Hindusii practice defending themselfs.
smoker-
have been incidents in which Hindus have started fighting, burning Muslim neighborhoods. do not try to move come just a camp. History is as yet as they came from Hindu islamicii and not vice versa, but I meant my most recent incidents in the last 50 years.
1-What counts if is recent.Musulmanii are not changed (of course not change, just they read pages of the Koran full of hate). Just do not expect Muslims to come to attack you and you just want to defend . How Muslims do not let others alone what to expect to be left alone?
2)-Well that's precisely the problem with the Bible-Koran, as such there is very incoherent pasages.God of them commandments about love but you send in eternal hell.
sorin-
Forgive me, but discrimination and generalization that you do not display all honesty.
We forbid all led by fate to reach any kind of fanatics that will flow rivers of blood. AcestiN advantage always precarious political situations and ascend the wave using the discontent and revolt population. Remember that in South America there were numerous military dictatorships disfavor at the beginning, those who gave military junta coup. Maybe you should I talk about terrorism and the like. But then I want to remind you that the planet exists IRA and Basques who are neither Muslim nor religious fanatics. Terrorism is a guerrilla struggle carried out by the military against civilians organized a state whose authority a challenge.
I want to bring you to the fact that jihad is more turned against the Christians in the last millennium since the Crusades had aroused the whole mess. But because of their Arab caliphate declined to replace, that territory Arab instaurandu the Ottoman Empire. On the other hand, Muslims are constantly assaulted both military and cultural. Basically, in this world dominated by western civilization they are too close not to be perceived as a thorn in the side.
So let's leave a softer with definitions Jihad, especially that if you're interested, you see that Jihad refers more to a fight the human soul with evil temptations of any kind should be. It's a spiritual battle. But you can interpret it how you want, depending on how you were fanatical. It's like the cover of women. The moderate Muslims are using only a bandana, the fundamentalist is covered from head to toe ...
Romani-
Im not discriminate than those that discriminate.
Why should I respect those who want to kill me because I do not believe them?
We know that Muhammad was a murderer (besides the fact that rape women and children). I do not see why Muslims should hide what is described herself would recognize the writings of lor.An least yes sir, believe in one God, immoral and sadistic . It wants to ensure that it is much stronger than us even if it is immoral.
Islam has been violent from the beginning, Muslims attacked the Christians first.
There appear Christianity, this religion is just as violent as Islam.
There are religious but political ideology (like Nazism or communism).
Christians or Muslims ,moderates are those who close their eyes to the flaws of their religion.
smoker-
I think everywhere.
The idea that they want to kill you because they do not believe that is false if one applies to most. Remember that many Christians traveling, working or living in Muslim countries. Many Muslims go in many countries Christians and not kill anyone. I do not see why you are so on. Most often refers to his religion with the same fervent that do many Christians of this forum. But the same hypocrisy. They do not want to kill you. They want to kill some individuals who by chance are Christians. And I refer to Westerners. And not all Westerners were subjected to Muslim terrorism but especially the U.S., Britain and their allies the most important. The reasons are more political than religious. On the other hand the law of retaliation. In Muslim martyr is not interested in him as killing "innocent people". Cousin and his wife was innocent when they threw it in the air and shot her soldiers do not know what. This is about frustration, about the desire to pay with evil, evil done. And the river that are made is in abundance, any of the support you.
Muhammad was a murderer because he looked like he was a victim, as people are intolerant, etc.. He lived in a world of violence and behave as such, which no excuse. It's just an observation. Please search film The Message (1976) with Anthony Quinn. It's less romantic, but not more than Quo Vadis. You note that the first Muslims were treated and discriminated against as well as Christians. They were surrounded by polytheist and were poorly understood. That always happens when you are minoritarian.
They hide many details because it is embarrassed. Many Muslims are not exactly thrilled by the work of fanatics. But Allah is not God more a sadistic and immoral than the Old Testament. Please do not forget that the people of Israel used the ground when he conquered the Holy Land polytheism saying that God inchinatorilor support against the idols. Like thread would be justified in any way shares. Decimated the population of the area as "obladuirea" God with nothing affects you not many see. I do not perceive any difference between Muhammad and Joshua for example.
romani-
nor d i see any difference
I was shocked to read (I was 14 years) as written in the Bible about Joshua, Moise.Chiar did not expect such things to be written in the Bible.
Mohamed was treated bad (though meccansi have endured insulting at their gods for 10 years until they jumped the mustard) but this is not a justification for Mohamad to rape or looting caravans to make some money.
romani-
Paragraph 3 shall contradict the point 2.dont understand what you mean.
Yes, Hesychasm is a good example.
Well, atheists, Buddhists and Hindus can demonstrate their more logical doctrinele.Asta doctrines can be shown taking point by point, which would take quite some time.
Atheists can argue logically that have more evidence for non-existent God.
Vishnuitii may argue that I believe God multipersonal (Holy Infinitime) is higher multipersonal God (Holy Trinity) of Christians.
Can demonstrate experience what Buddhists believe, offers ways to see the spiritual world of reincarnation is a concept exemplu.is more logical than original sin.
No one knows who they were Aryans and where they came (if coming) have to wait more proofs.Oricum I refer to philosophers and theologians that Hindus tolerate the right of others to disagree (as opposed to abrahamics), not to kings and boyars.
In conclusion propose parallel reading Bhagavat Gita, Bible, and Pali Canon and Richard Dawkins.then we will see who is superior.
1. Christian eschatology deals with individual destiny ... The immortality of the soul ... The Universal is working with Parus ...
In Hinduism there is no such thing ... blending Therefore, identification with Brahman is the end ... That's not immortality ... There, you, the individual no longer exist ...
Antisomatismul Hindu is obvious .. you do not understand? Well, not to any Hindu to escape the cycle of reincarnation? The meat is not good, the Hindus ... You have to run it ...
Anticosmismul Hindu? Is not it a Hindu, if he wants to transceadÃÆ must "break" the world? Wrong somehow?
2. Really?
Well, let me see him and the atheist guy ...
... Vià Ÿnu not God, in all attributes of classical ... It's not even a god who creates, directly ... It's like, if I remember well, more like Zeus or Cronus ... earlier you said something "superior" monotheism vià Ÿnuit ... I show it to me, monotheism is? I can not understand that word ... Not "see" the Brahma and Siva ... And, between you and it if he beat us in monotheism, this class gives them all ... God I know I , sikhà Ÿii are only as far as, monotheistic p there ...
Buddhism is so good that your much-beloved Hindu him expelled from the country ... It is a total negativity ... is a logical product of Hinduism ... It was natural that such a thought like that antisomaticÃÆ Hindi, to produce such an ... abortion ...
Reincarnation is a concept unhappy ... A product of thinking unfortunate that, in fact appears to others, the ancient Greeks, for example ...
3. Um, the Hindu philosophers and theologians do you mean? Well, of course tolerate the right of others to have opinions ... They do not tolerate the idea that one 'of their own people can reach "sannyas" thing, or as he says ... I mean, in translation, if you are born elsewhere , goodbye Brahman ...
Gita that writing is a relatively new, newer than the oldest strata of the Christian canon, is not it? ... We all p met here, the views of "experts" on the age of Hinduism ... Only a few texts are in The old, right? And they hardly relate to current religion there ... You want, on the basis of such texts, to wear a debate with me? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! ... Well, we now are facing an era of interpretation, mate ... No, the book does not deal with Christians "liberal" as Overseas they are ... I prefer non-religious, but I pray ...
Oh, you want to "ally" with Dawkins? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! ... With amatoru 'that? Well, you have the impression that I'm also interested cosmogoniile, myths of the emergence of life and all that when I look at a religion? No, dear, I am interested in the man, my dear man ... Where is the man to Hindus, that I want to let you know ... Gita, that if you get it in November and to me tellin 'me how you learn god Krishna, who is god Vià Ÿnu (those who do not understand how the hell is a god, in fact, another god, do not be surprised - it is the Hindus - these guys are a little mixed, about ... undefined so little .. . amorphous, lack of personality, not only that this is their goal in life, to .. be all water and an earth, with bag, with pig, etc., to her personality did not gods!) on boy to take the war to all the brothers and cumnaà £ii and that other nations had it there ... Pacifist mesaju p 'lu' Krishna, who is Vià Ÿnu is? Listen, Mahatma Gandhi That's not precisely about the incarnation of his Vià Ÿnu, is not it? To see what ... "effort allegorical" you do, if I take less of "wisdom" Indian ...
So how could such a religion, to establish that some of his own practicing, any form, the ankles are at stake? Yes' to bet you have had? Yes' bet those guys can give up the world? Have this right? Well, Hindus or your not "see" p-Those ... Um, those guys were not people, right?
Hindus your, baby, you have established between them, between their consângenii, discrimination never seen before, the word ... They with their own, not with strangers ... they, among themselves, not to grant the status of man ... And height of hypocrisy, while others, in this case Muslims, do not regard them, people complain ... Well, why complain?
Well, Allah is Vià Ÿnu precisely, if we think a little ... His Vià Ÿnu and it seems likely that Hindus are not too weary to dispense with the world, with sannyas that and thought to do something for the purposes of this ... Allah is precisely an avatar of him Vià Ÿnu, I say ...
Regained seriously, and I say, it Paraphrasing Marx ... uninteresting explanations about how the world is and how it came ... interesting idea: we have a world we do with it? Please tell me, mate, that is the Vishnu "project" for the world. Let us compare whit the project of Jesus ...
YOur Hindus , they have established between them,, discrimination never seen before, the word ... They with their own, not with strangers ... they, among themselves, do not grant the status of man ... And height of hypocrisy, while others, in this case Muslims, do not regard them, people complain ... Well, why complain?