[quote name='Niki' date='18 January 2010 - 06:32 AM' timestamp='1263776091' post='103561']Jewish texts are extremely violent towards the non jews. Should read the history of their prophets. They make th Christians look like saints.[/quote]There is a major difference. Their (Jewish) texts were apparently fiction despite the boasts of genocide and the dividing of the world into the mosaic and not-mosaic. That means they're not history.
On the other hand, christian criminality is factual history and continues to remain a fact. So there can be no comparison, and there can absolutely be no way in which Jews can be declared "worse" than christians.
Getting boring, but never mind - Repeat on "the 'history' of the prophets" etc:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/B2d.htm
Unless one is christian or orthodox Jewish, one's not required to believe in the OT or the Judaic scriptures (respectively), but can instead look to what archaeology and the study of biblical and Judaic religious texts have revealed.
Even if we were to for a moment allow for the possibility that the biblical genocides occurred (but we can actually skip the unlikely Judaic God-ordained smitings, damnings, plagues, locust attacks; Hindus are not required to believe in the never-yet-seen Judaic God either):
1. The scale AND gruesomeness does not compare with christianism: the numbers and downright inhumanity of the christian - and islamic - genocides of others (millions upon millions of the murders are of a nature unmentionable) simply has no competition.
2. When modern Jews are not driven to destroying other (esp. valid) religions on the planet, they do not need to be blamed for crimes described in the OT.
In contrast, christianism and islamism have NEVER changed, WILL NEVER change. Their primary mission is to destroy the Natural Traditions of the world, so they are still massacring people of these traditional religions all over the globe: in some places christoislamism murders one person at a time, elsewhere a village at a time or more. Genocide is all christoislamicommunism - the Ideology ("Religion") of Human Sacrifice - does; it is the essence and sum total of their ideology.
Again: There simply can be no equating the still-fiction of the passages of mass-violence and genocide in the Judaic scriptures with the historical fact of the christian genocides of traditional GrecoRomans, Jews, Native Americans, Africans, Hindus and various other Asian populations.
[quote name='Niki' date='18 January 2010 - 09:14 AM' timestamp='1263785788' post='103566']
- Judaism - East India COmpany (was dominated by them); Mountbatten himself was part Jewish and Edwina Mountbatten was fully.[/quote]Documented references for these claims?
And after that, also need evidence that their *Judaism* is what drove their colonisation (in the vein of the well-documented "By Allah-s" and "Deus Volt-s" of christoislamism's global terrorism.) Else one can leave Judaism out of it.
But christianism and islamism are after [color="#0000FF"]religion[/color]: they're after the complete annihilation of all *heathenism*. (Traditional culture is merely the external expression of natural religions.)
The babble and koran make christoislamism's actions very clear: It is a *religious* war from their end - an ideological war. It has always been; from the beginning of christianism. The booty - even the very phenomena of imperialism, colonisation - is a side-effect, a bonus, a reward system to the zombies of christoislamism's ideological war against heathenism, the war against the religions of the "false" Gods. Spoils of war. But the ideology's first and fundamental aim is extermination of Natural Traditions alone. Christoislamism's non-existent gawd wants the heathens converted OR dead (not left in peace to exist anywhere) - starting with the "idolatrous polytheistic" kind. That is *all* that drives christoislamics, because for the zombies too, their gawd - and so its commandments, "the word of gawd" - comes first, even though theirs is a non-existent gawd (a non-existent gawd of genocide moreover).
Christoislamism - the christoclass mindvirus - remains an ideology that Hindus skillfully continue to avoid understanding, even though that ideology spells certain death for Hindus, other Dharmics and all other Natural Traditionalists. Because it intends certain death for all Natural Traditions.
Parrot replay: Christoislamism is not after mere "culture". Not aiming for colonisation and imperialism. It is after the destruction of the religions of the "false" Gods. If one doesn't (want to) know what the enemy's objective is, it remains to wonder how people think to begin to thwart the enemy.
The very dangerous thing that many an eager Indian nationalist engages in is to go about the matter as if there is no Hindu religion. That is essentially conceding the Queen to the christoislamic opponent, while still wanting to continue the (pretence of a) chess game, like someone who doesn't understand the rules.
Understand, the Queen is all christoislamism is after.
The question for modern-day nationalists is whether their Queen means more than merely a chess-piece to them. Because for christoislamics, this is not merely a 'game': they are dead serious; they take *heathenism* (religion) very seriously. And part of christianism's approach to chess is to make their opponent not do so (i.e. to make the opponent forget the value of what they're playing for (with)/what's at stake for them); makes for a far easier - immediate - win.
The analogy is too stretched. Essentially: In an ideological war - which is exactly what christoislamicommunism is proposing - when one side is able to strip the other of ideology, it obviously wins by default. In specific, it would (effortlessly) have won/conquered the opponent at the ideological level (i.e. the fundamental level), which is all the christoclass mindvirus wanted anyway.
On the other hand, christian criminality is factual history and continues to remain a fact. So there can be no comparison, and there can absolutely be no way in which Jews can be declared "worse" than christians.
Getting boring, but never mind - Repeat on "the 'history' of the prophets" etc:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/B2d.htm
Quote:Quote:Not only have Adam and Eve and the flood story passed over to mythology, but we can no longer talk about a time of the patriarchs. There never was a 'United Monarchy' in history and it is meaningless to speak of pre-exilic prophets and their writings.[...]
... the Bible's 'Israel' [is] a literary fiction ...
We can now say with considerable confidence that the Bible is not a history of anyone's past.
-- Thomas L. Thompson, Professor of Old Testament at the University of Copenhagen and one of the leading biblical archaeologists in the world
The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts by Neil Asher Silberman and Israel Finkelstein - online summary.
The authors, who are directors of archaeological institutes, are authorities concerning the archaeology of early Palestine.
The book discusses how archaeology has shown that there is no evidence for the existence of:
* Abraham and any of the Patriarchs
* Moses and the Exodus
* The period of Judges and the united monarchy of David and Solomon.
Quote:Doubting the Story of Exodus - L.A. Times News, April 13, 2001
The modern archeological consensus over the Exodus is just beginning to reach the public.
...
In a new book this year, "The Bible Unearthed," Israeli archeologist Israel Finklestein of Tel Aviv University and archeological journalist Neil Asher Silberman raised similar doubts and offered a new theory about the roots of the Exodus story. The authors argue that the story was written during the time of King Josia of Judah in the 7th century BC--600 years after the Exodus supposedly occurred in 1250 BC--as a political manifesto to unite Israelites against the rival Egyptian empire as both states sought to expand their territory.
Unless one is christian or orthodox Jewish, one's not required to believe in the OT or the Judaic scriptures (respectively), but can instead look to what archaeology and the study of biblical and Judaic religious texts have revealed.
Even if we were to for a moment allow for the possibility that the biblical genocides occurred (but we can actually skip the unlikely Judaic God-ordained smitings, damnings, plagues, locust attacks; Hindus are not required to believe in the never-yet-seen Judaic God either):
1. The scale AND gruesomeness does not compare with christianism: the numbers and downright inhumanity of the christian - and islamic - genocides of others (millions upon millions of the murders are of a nature unmentionable) simply has no competition.
2. When modern Jews are not driven to destroying other (esp. valid) religions on the planet, they do not need to be blamed for crimes described in the OT.
In contrast, christianism and islamism have NEVER changed, WILL NEVER change. Their primary mission is to destroy the Natural Traditions of the world, so they are still massacring people of these traditional religions all over the globe: in some places christoislamism murders one person at a time, elsewhere a village at a time or more. Genocide is all christoislamicommunism - the Ideology ("Religion") of Human Sacrifice - does; it is the essence and sum total of their ideology.
Again: There simply can be no equating the still-fiction of the passages of mass-violence and genocide in the Judaic scriptures with the historical fact of the christian genocides of traditional GrecoRomans, Jews, Native Americans, Africans, Hindus and various other Asian populations.
[quote name='Niki' date='18 January 2010 - 09:14 AM' timestamp='1263785788' post='103566']
- Judaism - East India COmpany (was dominated by them); Mountbatten himself was part Jewish and Edwina Mountbatten was fully.[/quote]Documented references for these claims?
And after that, also need evidence that their *Judaism* is what drove their colonisation (in the vein of the well-documented "By Allah-s" and "Deus Volt-s" of christoislamism's global terrorism.) Else one can leave Judaism out of it.
Quote:The Christian and Islamic colonisation was for both economic benefit and complete cultural annihilationCultural annihilation? That word again. Cricket and bollywood are the only "Indian culture" I can think of.
But christianism and islamism are after [color="#0000FF"]religion[/color]: they're after the complete annihilation of all *heathenism*. (Traditional culture is merely the external expression of natural religions.)
The babble and koran make christoislamism's actions very clear: It is a *religious* war from their end - an ideological war. It has always been; from the beginning of christianism. The booty - even the very phenomena of imperialism, colonisation - is a side-effect, a bonus, a reward system to the zombies of christoislamism's ideological war against heathenism, the war against the religions of the "false" Gods. Spoils of war. But the ideology's first and fundamental aim is extermination of Natural Traditions alone. Christoislamism's non-existent gawd wants the heathens converted OR dead (not left in peace to exist anywhere) - starting with the "idolatrous polytheistic" kind. That is *all* that drives christoislamics, because for the zombies too, their gawd - and so its commandments, "the word of gawd" - comes first, even though theirs is a non-existent gawd (a non-existent gawd of genocide moreover).
Christoislamism - the christoclass mindvirus - remains an ideology that Hindus skillfully continue to avoid understanding, even though that ideology spells certain death for Hindus, other Dharmics and all other Natural Traditionalists. Because it intends certain death for all Natural Traditions.
Parrot replay: Christoislamism is not after mere "culture". Not aiming for colonisation and imperialism. It is after the destruction of the religions of the "false" Gods. If one doesn't (want to) know what the enemy's objective is, it remains to wonder how people think to begin to thwart the enemy.
The very dangerous thing that many an eager Indian nationalist engages in is to go about the matter as if there is no Hindu religion. That is essentially conceding the Queen to the christoislamic opponent, while still wanting to continue the (pretence of a) chess game, like someone who doesn't understand the rules.
Understand, the Queen is all christoislamism is after.
The question for modern-day nationalists is whether their Queen means more than merely a chess-piece to them. Because for christoislamics, this is not merely a 'game': they are dead serious; they take *heathenism* (religion) very seriously. And part of christianism's approach to chess is to make their opponent not do so (i.e. to make the opponent forget the value of what they're playing for (with)/what's at stake for them); makes for a far easier - immediate - win.
The analogy is too stretched. Essentially: In an ideological war - which is exactly what christoislamicommunism is proposing - when one side is able to strip the other of ideology, it obviously wins by default. In specific, it would (effortlessly) have won/conquered the opponent at the ideological level (i.e. the fundamental level), which is all the christoclass mindvirus wanted anyway.