China, Pakistan, Central-Asia Military Watch

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[quote name='Bharat_2009' date='28 February 2010 - 01:45 PM' timestamp='1267344450' post='104626']

It has become a habit for media and some Indians to overestimate China's military capabilities.



China's



1. HAN class SSNs are around 25 to 30 yrs old. Imagine Indian Navy having subs more than 25 yrs old. Indian media clowns and bloggers like you are the first ones to cry about it.



Changzheng SSN(Han class) - 26 yrs old



Changzheng SSN(Han class) - 23 yrs old



Changzheng SSN (Han class) - 20 yrs old



US navy also has a mixture and new and pretty old SSBNs but they have been building subs for more than 50yrs. There cannot be any comparison between the US and Chinks.







2. 1 x Xia class SSBN is almost 27 yrs old. According to US congress report on China's Military, Xia SSBN has a noisy reactor and it is ready for retirement.





3. Now we are left with so called Jin class and Shang class SSBNs. Even Chinese military experts don't know how many Jin class and Shang Class SSBNs are being built or inducted.



It comes down to just 2 x SSBNs (assuming that Jin class and so called shang class subs have already been inducted). Even if you include all 3 Han class rust buckets nuclear attack submarines, it cannot launch long range ballistic missiles.





I did not even read your comment fully after reading your statement "It has 10 nuclear powered submarines with long range missiles on the prowl in international waters" LOL. We need a honest comparison !! I can go on like this and talk about how ming class subs



Nobody is going to Compare China with Pakistan but at the same time we should not overestimate China.



By 2015, Indian Navy will have 3x SSBNs with long range missiles. INS Arihant is based on Akula II design, according to Russian Ambassador to India. INS Arihant class will be a silent killer !!



I would say this is the correct time for China to threaten us and resolve border disputes in favor of them,

because 5 yrs down the line, Indian Military will be more than a match. In some areas, Indian Military would be better (Anti-ballistic missile defense, Scram jet-Hypersonic missiles).

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Forget India, read what US (superpower) is worried about as 4 as growing China is concerned!



Some snippets from Defense News:

Senior U.S. officials told a House panel on Jan. 13 that China continues modernizing its missile, naval and fighter aircraft arsenals at a rapid rate, but they raised new concerns about the Asian giant's efforts to develop new offensive cyber and space assets.



China's Peoples' Liberation Army is making "significant strides" in developing cyberwarfare concepts that range from defending Chinese networks to conducting "offensive operations against adversary networks,"



"We are seeing China's emergence as an international space power," Gregson said. "China is investing heavily in a broad range of military and dual-use space programs, including reconnaissance, navigation and timing, and communication satellites, as well as its manned program."



Gregson cited China's January 2007 satellite shot-down as an example of its "growing" ability to take out space systems.



Gregson noted China's announced 2009 defense budget topped out at $70.6 billion. Pentagon brass think the number actually comes in around $150 billion, or more, Gregson said.



According to 2009 data the Pacific Command chief presented the House committee, that weaponry includes 27 destroyers, 48 frigates, more than 70 patrol crafts armed with missiles, 55 amphibious vessels, 40 mine warfare ships and 50 support crafts.



China also possesses what he called "the largest conventional submarine force in the world, totaling more than 60 boats" to go along with "a number of" nuclear-powered fast attack and ballistic missile subs. The PLA, Willard contended, is also developing a new submarine-launched ballistic missile, the JL-2, which is "capable of reaching the West Coast of the United States."

in 2007, a Chinese attack submarine successfully penetrated the defensive screen of the USS Kitty Hawk in the Pacific Ocean and surfaced within easy “kill” range of the U.S. carrier. That indicates that (A) the Chinese submarine crews are far more skilled that previously thought, that the U.S. Navy is way too overconfident, or © both options could be true. It is actually good the Chinese submarine surfaced so the U.S. Navy had the chance to experience a “wake up call” and tighten its obviously porous defensive screen around its carriers.

digg.com/.../Chinese_Submarine_Out_Maneuvers_USN_Carrier_Group -



1 Feb 2010 ... A Taiwanese newspaper has reported that a Chinese submarine entered Taiwan's territorial waters



SSN

Type 091 Han class - 5 boats

Type 093 Shang class - 2 boats (more under construction)

SSBN

Type 092 Xia class - 1 boat

Type 094 Jin class - 2 boats (more under construction)



Source Wikipedia........

China now has the world’s largest submarine fleet and it is growing at a rapid rate as China’s military expansion continues. The analysis states that China has “the largest conventional submarine force in the world, totaling more than 60 boats” plus “a number of nuclear-powered fast-attack and ballistic missile subs.” Does that mean China has approximately 70 or more submarines?

http://stevenmcollins.com/WordPress/?p=1577



The more you read the more you stop loling at your ignorance!



China has more mullah than India (7 times more FOREX than India)

China¨s military spending is 3 times that of India.

China has a second biggest of submarine after the US.

China has satelite killers (proven tech)

China has megaton punch of TN, India has not.

China has long range missiles reaching USA.



Above factors are crucial when you fight any war and not the dogfight capability alone ......



During Kargil war India wanted to introduce the Kargil Tax....

President K R Naryanan is understood to have given his verbal assent to a government proposal that aims at raising additional tax revenue for meeting the expenditure arising out of the Kargil operations.

Finance Minister Yashwant Sinha had a half-an-hour-long meeting with Narayanan on July 13 to apprise him of the necessity to impose a mid-term tax to finance the cost of the Kargil operations.

India has 278 billion of FOREX, out of which we owe 240 billions to IMF-WB-ADB and others so what are we left with? 38 Billions? well our fiscal deficit is higher than that amount, hence our net result? India is in minus.........India is borrowing heavily - bad business, while China is better placed and can afford to add anything to its armed forces.



India´s Tax GDP collection ratio is lowest at 8.6 percent whereas Indonesia has double that of India, if India does not make money, how will they spend without resorting to borrowing? India is moving one step forward and two step backwards.



Its a common sense, no money means no missiles, no munition!