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A couple of posts from BRF and from Guardian paper on Churchill's quotes.



First:

If we can tell the truth about Islam and Christism and how they are used to promote seccessionism and how US and Pak and Barbaria are inspired by christism and Islam to malign,harm India,half our job will be done.



First of all the pseudo-elite will have to go first.

The main problem is not Jesus as such ... the fact is that the Catholic Church, the Anglican Church and many other Churches are political entities controlled by western elites.



For example, who appoints the head of the Anglican Church? The British Queen ... The British royalty is linked with the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha clan from Bavaria, which in turn was linked with the Bavarian "Illuminati". The so-called "Illuminati" includes prominent elite familes such as Rothschild, Warburg and Schiff. This is how Winston Churchill (who himself was part of this elite) described it:

This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)... this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.



Churchill writing on 'Zionism versus Bolshevism' in the Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 1920

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/20...ures11.g21

The same networks are calling the shots even today. Obama's minder David Axelrod is a great-grandson of Trotsky, and British FM David Milliband's grandfather fought with Trotsky against the Russians in the 1917 Bolshevik revolution.



So, when we talk about the Church, all this background has to be communicated to the average Indian.



Other interesting material (about the Catholic Church): "The Broken Cross" http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/brokencross/

Second:

Chiron,

While it would be admirable to count Yeshu as the 25th avatar of Vishnu,the christists distance themselves from Hindus as much as possible.Ditto with mohammedans.Our leftist-secular-congress cabal supports them.Their separate identity wins them preferential claims.They get monetary support from Saudi Barbaria and Amirkhan to remain separate.



You are underestimating the pressures on Hindu society during alien rule.The converts were those who were susceptible to allure and inducement.The Pakis and beedis are converts.What about those who under severest repression held fort?



It is not necessary to have 100% consensus always.Karl Popper,a student of modern society remarked an open society is not based on 100% consensus.



We Hindus are handicapped because of reservation politics and abuse of Hinduism.If we can tell the truth about Islam and Christism and how they are used to promote seccessionism and how US and Pak and Barbaria are inspired by christism and Islam to malign,harm India,half our job will be done.



First of all the pseudo-elite will have to go first.

Krishnapremi ji,



I guess Pranav ji has given a nice support towards understanding the global picture of the forces with whom Indic-ness is in association (either constructive OR destructive OR neutral). The external support in terms of money for abrahmic memes is very high. Furthermore, they are clear about their fundamentals and ideals. They have clearly defined simple goals backed up by lots of money to explain it to people in need. The Indic world-view is complex. There is no money in favour of Indic-memes for propagation. And most importantly, the society has forgotten the basics of Indic-ness.



Jesus, vishnu, avatar were just examples to make a point that in a civilization which says "everything in this universe which exists, is brahman" and "truth is one, different people call it by different names", there should not come such times as we are seeing today. The reason of our poverty (ideological) is that we have forgotten how to implement the most core ideals of our civilization, that is these two sentences. They remain theoretical, hence the present deplorable condition.



The understanding amongst Indics about their inherent unity has been on rise, since beginning of 20th century. However, IMO, Indics have forgotten the understanding of this concept of Dharma.



RayC ji,



Perhaps, this is what Indic-ness is about, understanding that Dharma is something way different from religion. Ever since the construct of Hinduism is propagated amongst Indics, there has been a degree of confusion while looking towards self and our history. The debates between Vedantis and Buddhists are considered as debates between two religions, wherein one religion vanquished another. This is not how they looked at things during times of Adi Shankara (for example).



It is not about Hinduism, it is about something more fundamental. Hinduism as we know today is not more than 150 years old. The british simply clubbed few of ideologies together and referred as hinduism. As you said, caste is an Indic phenomenon, just like Dharma and border-less rashtra. A nation-state with inviolable borders is a european construct. Allegiance towards such geographical entity was called Nationalism. Subsequently, Shivaji, Vivekananda, Savarkar, Bipinchandra Pal, Lokmanya Tilak et al were called as "Hindu-Nationalists".



Both the terms in this phrase "Hindu-Nationalism" are alien to pre-islamic world-view of Indians.



There are forces which wish to return to this pre-islamic world-view where

1. everybody in this region known as "Bhaarat" are referred to as Hindus by outsiders and Bhaaratiya by insiders.

2. everybody has a dharma to follow. This dharma is basis of individual-society-rashtra's decisions regarding Artha and Kaama (Pursuit of material wealth, fame, power and fulfilment of desires).

3. This dharma is given utmost importance by everybody irrespective of their personal pursuits of Moksha (spiritual paths of achieving salvation).



The segregation of spiritual pursuits from Duty and sense of Justice (dharma) is what is advocated by everyone who is tagged as "Hindu-Nationalist" from everybody in this nation.



To oppose this, there are alien ideologies, which believe in concepts like "religion", "Infidel" and in principle deny the segregation of polity and spirituality (Deen and Daulat).



What exacerbates the matter furthermore, is that the proponents of religion of one god in category two, are global players, where as proponents of category one are local players. By this I mean, just like communism, there are no borders in Islam. Whereas, the idea of "utopia" for a "hindu-nationalist" does not run beyond the realms of Indian subcontinent. A person tagged as "Hindu-Nationalist" asks for few basic things, which people from category two cannot give (theoretically).



The irony is that, most of the Indics or "Hindus", themselves have forgotten about the idea of Dharma. They too have started equating Dharma as synonym to religion and rashtra as synonym to nation-state. hence all the confusion.



Please look at it from this point of view. The problem is not Abrahmic spiritual pursuits. The problem is refusal of Abrahmics to give higher precedence to Dharma and keep spiritual pursuits purely personal and non-proselytizing.



The things like "Caste" is accumulated excreta, which was once a useful organ, now a decaying waste. And Indic component of subcontinental popualation is slowly getting rid of it. There are many such problems which form a part of this accumulated waste which is worth getting rid of. But an entity which is now a waste and once a useful, is a part of a picture, not whole picture in itself. Things which should go, should go. and they will. However there is a process of cleaning which ensures that only waste is gone, not the essentials. That essential here is "Dharma's understanding amongst mango-abduls of India". This is "Indic-ness". This is what a "Hindu-nationalist" wants from all mango-abduls of subcontinent.

Churchill's quotes in Guardian Paper:





LINK:

The Churchill you dont know

The Churchill you didn't know

Thousands voted him the greatest Briton - but did they know about his views on Gandhi, gassing and Jews...



The Guardian, Thursday 28 November 2002 Article history



I will not pretend that, if I had to choose between communism and nazism, I would choose communism.

Speaking in the House of Commons, autumn 1937



I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes.

Writing as president of the Air Council, 1919



It is alarming and nauseating to see Mr Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organising and conducting a campaign of civil disobedience, to parlay on equal terms with the representative of the Emperor-King.

Commenting on Gandhi's meeting with the Viceroy of India, 1931



(India is) a godless land of snobs and bores.

In a letter to his mother, 1896



I do not admit... that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia... by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race... has come in and taken its place.

Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937



(We must rally against) a poisoned Russia, an infected Russia of armed hordes not only smiting with bayonet and cannon, but accompanied and preceded by swarms of typhus-bearing vermin.

Quoted in the Boston Review, April/May 2001



"The choice was clearly open: crush them with vain and unstinted force, or try to give them what they want. These were the only alternatives and most people were unprepared for either. Here indeed was the Irish spectre - horrid and inexorcisable.

Writing in The World Crisis and the Aftermath, 1923-31



The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among all the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate... I feel that the source from which the stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another year has passed.

Churchill to Asquith, 1910



One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations."

From his Great Contemporaries, 1937



You are callous people who want to wreck Europe - you do not care about the future of Europe, you have only your own miserable interests in mind.

Addressing the London Polish government at a British Embassy meeting, October 1944



So far as Britain and Russia were concerned, how would it do for you to have 90% of Romania, for us to have 90% of the say in Greece, and go 50/50 about Yugoslavia?

Addressing Stalin in Moscow, October 1944



This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)... this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."



Writing on 'Zionism versus Bolshevism' in the Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 1920



Research by Amy Iggulden

See how he relates the Spartacus revolt of the slaves against the Romans to the world wide conspiracy across centuries. Weishaupt is the Illuminati founder. And above all he calls Gandhiji A Middle Temple lawyer aka Free mason and part of the conspiracy!