02-09-2005, 08:48 PM
Huh?
I didn't get that part about Narayanamurthy.....
There was a "Baby Boomer" generation in India too....after the success of the Green revolution. It was not uncommon in those generations to have more than two kids.
Ok, lets say the Hindu population attains critical mass...whats next? Votebank politics, street riots, ghettoisation..... Hindus becoming mindless sheep like the Muslim masses, living in squalor? Is this what you prescribe for the "growth" of Hinduism? And what good is mere numbers in these modern times? The 4th largest army was routed in Gulf War-I, three hundred thousand Mujahideen and clandestine Paki forces were simply brushed aside in Afghanistan reducing them to gadfly guerillas. Numbers are of no use against a superior enemy who has the will and means to *obliterate* you. Ask the Muslims of Europe at the time of the Reconquista or the Sung/Chin/Khwarzam/Abbasid empires at the time of Chengiz....
A nation DOES need the numbers, but if it is too excessive you have a big problem in your hands. Already we are having a tough time catering for the needs of 1 billion people....the last thing we need is an additional 400 million souls (around 2050). These Pakis and all the other bogeys are just secondary concerns......the prime concern of the leaders of the nation is to provide immediate *basic* needs and security to the people. In this respect we have immense success. The Indian janatha is presently more or less satisfied with the state of things....and thats why we don't have revolutions or other upheavals in a national scale. However, if the state cannot meet these needs because of the population burden and assosciated problems, the (hindu) janata itself will be pi$$ed and it will destroy the state.........long before they "muscle" into the Muslims.
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Now, there's this talk about East Bengal being taken away from the Bhadralok Bengalis. Islam has been in Bengal since 1201 A.D when Bakthiyar Khilji defeated Lakshmanasena and was under assorted dynasties and finally the Mughals.......and then the British. Lets see the final demographic map at partition
Demographic Bengal Map 1947
Note that the green areas constituted the bank of the Ganga-Meghna i.e the Jute sector. It was in 1757-1947 period that the Muslims attained a majority in these areas......as they were brought over to clear these jungle areas and do bonded labor in the jute and paddy crops and in the tea estates in Sylhet. The fact is that the eatstern regions far from Calcutta were always very underdeveloped, only nominally in British control....one reason why Curzon partitioned Bengal in 1905. The communalistic color to the partition only prompted more west bengali Muslims to go over to these areas because of their inherent ghettoistic mentality. At the 1947 partition, East Bengal had a population of 39.11 million with 12 million Hindus and rest Muslims. A 30% of population doesn't mean going extinct! (By that rationale, why don't you worry more about West Punjab which went away for a mere 60% Muslim population)
Muslims had become a majority in these areas, even before "Bhadralok" came into shape by 1920 centred around the administrative nexuses of Calcutta, Darjeeling, Kharagpur and Chittagong..... And BTW, the population control programs were followed only in the 50-60s, afer independence! I searched a lot and couldn't find any references saying that the Bengali hindus has assidiously followed some "family planning" in 1911-1947 period......For all I know, they followed the same pattern as the rest of India. I wonder why you take potshots at the East Bengali Hindus then..... Could you give us references showing that Bhadralok had done this family cutdown in this period?
I didn't get that part about Narayanamurthy.....
There was a "Baby Boomer" generation in India too....after the success of the Green revolution. It was not uncommon in those generations to have more than two kids.
Ok, lets say the Hindu population attains critical mass...whats next? Votebank politics, street riots, ghettoisation..... Hindus becoming mindless sheep like the Muslim masses, living in squalor? Is this what you prescribe for the "growth" of Hinduism? And what good is mere numbers in these modern times? The 4th largest army was routed in Gulf War-I, three hundred thousand Mujahideen and clandestine Paki forces were simply brushed aside in Afghanistan reducing them to gadfly guerillas. Numbers are of no use against a superior enemy who has the will and means to *obliterate* you. Ask the Muslims of Europe at the time of the Reconquista or the Sung/Chin/Khwarzam/Abbasid empires at the time of Chengiz....
A nation DOES need the numbers, but if it is too excessive you have a big problem in your hands. Already we are having a tough time catering for the needs of 1 billion people....the last thing we need is an additional 400 million souls (around 2050). These Pakis and all the other bogeys are just secondary concerns......the prime concern of the leaders of the nation is to provide immediate *basic* needs and security to the people. In this respect we have immense success. The Indian janatha is presently more or less satisfied with the state of things....and thats why we don't have revolutions or other upheavals in a national scale. However, if the state cannot meet these needs because of the population burden and assosciated problems, the (hindu) janata itself will be pi$$ed and it will destroy the state.........long before they "muscle" into the Muslims.
************
Now, there's this talk about East Bengal being taken away from the Bhadralok Bengalis. Islam has been in Bengal since 1201 A.D when Bakthiyar Khilji defeated Lakshmanasena and was under assorted dynasties and finally the Mughals.......and then the British. Lets see the final demographic map at partition
Demographic Bengal Map 1947
Note that the green areas constituted the bank of the Ganga-Meghna i.e the Jute sector. It was in 1757-1947 period that the Muslims attained a majority in these areas......as they were brought over to clear these jungle areas and do bonded labor in the jute and paddy crops and in the tea estates in Sylhet. The fact is that the eatstern regions far from Calcutta were always very underdeveloped, only nominally in British control....one reason why Curzon partitioned Bengal in 1905. The communalistic color to the partition only prompted more west bengali Muslims to go over to these areas because of their inherent ghettoistic mentality. At the 1947 partition, East Bengal had a population of 39.11 million with 12 million Hindus and rest Muslims. A 30% of population doesn't mean going extinct! (By that rationale, why don't you worry more about West Punjab which went away for a mere 60% Muslim population)
Muslims had become a majority in these areas, even before "Bhadralok" came into shape by 1920 centred around the administrative nexuses of Calcutta, Darjeeling, Kharagpur and Chittagong..... And BTW, the population control programs were followed only in the 50-60s, afer independence! I searched a lot and couldn't find any references saying that the Bengali hindus has assidiously followed some "family planning" in 1911-1947 period......For all I know, they followed the same pattern as the rest of India. I wonder why you take potshots at the East Bengali Hindus then..... Could you give us references showing that Bhadralok had done this family cutdown in this period?